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Posted by Rialdo on Oct-15-2003 18:12:

Dunno RME Hammerfall LE Digi 96/36 soundcard

i am just planning on building my home production studio, i was gathering information on all brands and this took my attention.
what can you guys tell me about this card.

first of all my intentions are just for music, nothing else.
so i decided to buy a good soundcard and i read on a previous thread that m-audio are not good enough for JUST producing.

there are more RME soundcards out there so can you all tell me which will be a good one to begin with?.


Posted by Dj Thy on Oct-15-2003 18:26:

Whoever told you M-audio isn't good enough for producing doesn't know what he's talking about.

Sure M-audio isn't the absolute best, but they have an excellent price/quality ratio.

Sure, RME is a step higher, but the price is higher also.

Again, it all depends what you wanna do. Keep in mind a Digi 9636 has only ADAT and SPdif/Toslink ports. So you'll need an additional AD/DA convertor (even for monitoring). Which makes it pretty expensive.

If you wanna stick RME, and have a little bit of everything (analog in outs, midi, spdif and Adat), I suggest you look for the RME Multiface... Excellent card also, and upgradeable if you need more later.


Posted by Vizay on Oct-15-2003 19:01:

I'm getting an RME-DIGI9652 tomorrow actually so if you hold on I can give you my view of it then

well as for the monitoringproblem, can't you just use a regular soundcard for monitoring and let the hammerfall do all the hard processing?


Posted by Scottaculous on Oct-15-2003 20:39:

I own a RME HDSP9652. I fined tuned the latency down to 3 ms. Their documentation is decent but not great. Their support forums however is pretty good. You will get your questions answered by very technical people.

FYI, Digi 9636 is their older model of the HDSP9636. And their expansion boards will allow analog output for monitoring.

My only suggestion is check their support section on problem hardware and reference systems.


Posted by Vizay on Oct-16-2003 15:34:

hmm okay a little question for the few of ya out there owning a hammerfall-card

how do you monitor on it?

I just got my card and I tested to monitor with the phono-cables that I connect to the S/PDIF port (not the adat one but the pin one)
I can hear the sound but it's like LTS of noise too

is it even possible to monitor directly from the hammerfallcard or do I need to get optical stuff to do this? (like a mixer and such)


Posted by Scottaculous on Oct-16-2003 17:35:

Sorry to say you'll need a digital-to-analog converter. I was in the same position and I had to get an additional converter to moniter directly.

FYI, I got the M-audio Super DAC to meet this need.


Posted by Rialdo on Oct-16-2003 18:33:

yea,, i can see that, i have to buy a converter too..
but if i�m buying the RME then its gonna be a hell of expensive for me.

so then i have another question, which soundcard will be a good sell for my first time home studio?...
right now i�m using flstudio & cubase sx with a lot of good vsti too...


Posted by Dj Thy on Oct-16-2003 19:34:

Like I said, take a look at the RME Multiface (or if you wanna go more digital, the Digiface, it still features a line/phones out). It has a breakout box with analog and digital outputs, and performance wise it's the same. And if later you need more, their drivers accept several cards (so you could add an HDSP if needed).


Posted by Scottaculous on Oct-16-2003 19:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Thy
Like I said, take a look at the RME Multiface (or if you wanna go more digital, the Digiface, it still features a line/phones out). It has a breakout box with analog and digital outputs, and performance wise it's the same. And if later you need more, their drivers accept several cards (so you could add an HDSP if needed).


Vizay can't use a multiface or digiface with his card. He would need to purchase an additional PCI Card to go with the multiface / digiface.


Posted by Dj Thy on Oct-16-2003 19:49:

Sorry, should have said I was answering to Rialdo's problem.

Vizay will indeed need a DAC.


Posted by Vizay on Oct-16-2003 20:27:

okay so how much does the cheapest converter I should go with cost? (it shouldn't be too crappy but it doesn't have to be uber)

just throw in some tips that works with my card (I figure I can go with not just RME converters but others too, right?)

I bought the card for 250$ from a guy so I figure I can sell it for the same and buy an audiophile instead if the converters are to expensive....is that a good choise or will i regret it?


Posted by Scottaculous on Oct-16-2003 21:04:

Depends on how many digital signals you want to convert to analog. Any converter will do really. I am using an M-Audio SuperDAC for my solution.

250 for the DIGI9652 is a good price considering the HDSP9652 is $600. You got a good deal.


Posted by Dj Thy on Oct-16-2003 21:04:

Keep the RME, believe me it's a league higher than M-audio.

If it's only for monitoring, you could go with a decent but cheaper DAC. Like Scottaculous said the M-audio one is a good option.

If it's really pristine quality you're looking for (and not only for monitoring), you'll be looking at much higher prices...


Posted by Vizay on Oct-16-2003 22:12:

well it's just for monitoring right now, if I'm going up in leagues I'll probably be getting pro-tools

well I'm going to check out the M-audio converter then
just wanna know one thing, is it an external converter I should be looking for? my guessing is that I connect the converter to one of the adat ports and go from there...right?


Posted by Vizay on Oct-16-2003 22:21:

btw the superDAC....does it support regular phono-plugs (red & white) for output (also known as RCA-contacts)

that's what I need for monitoring


Posted by Dj Thy on Oct-17-2003 10:34:

You don't NEED RCA outputs.

If I remember well the Super Dac has balanced XLR out and unbalanced 1/4" jacks. So all you need is a convertor cable. Easy to make, or cheap to buy.


Posted by CynepMeH on Oct-20-2003 15:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Vizay
hmm okay a little question for the few of ya out there owning a hammerfall-card

how do you monitor on it?

I just got my card and I tested to monitor with the phono-cables that I connect to the S/PDIF port (not the adat one but the pin one)
I can hear the sound but it's like LTS of noise too

is it even possible to monitor directly from the hammerfallcard or do I need to get optical stuff to do this? (like a mixer and such)


I had to actually get an external mixer and for my analog lines, split them through patchbay and run a set to rack mixer and second set (so to say "fixed" lines) to RME. Patching sucked, so I decided to try out Tascam 1884 - got it set up last night and still working out various bugs. softare is version 1.0 so you can imagine what a pleasant thing it is to have - reboots for no aparent reason, Cubase not sensing internal clock, mixer runs in HUI (not native) emulation mode... Ughh... I only hope tech support at Tascam is worth talking to. RME is great my only gripe was lack of passive monitoring and no phantoms. I had Presonus FireStation but that was just complete junk for recording purposes - stand alone only... For $650??? I don't think so...

Hammerfall is great, especially if you're using Cubase - as it is supposedly native and really shines.


Posted by CynepMeH on Oct-20-2003 15:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Scottaculous
I own a RME HDSP9652. I fined tuned the latency down to 3 ms.


How'd you do that?


Posted by Vizay on Oct-20-2003 18:44:

I've decided to gor for an alesis AI-3 as expansion

http://www.alesis.com/products/ai3/index.html

is this a very bad idea?



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