What Rumsfeld is Currentely Thinking

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Posted by occrider on Oct-23-2003 21:47:

What Rumsfeld is Currentely Thinking

Caught this off of the smoking gun. It's a memo leaked to the press I guess. Rather interesting to see how he formulates policy.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rumsfeldmemo1.html

Posted by Izzy on Oct-23-2003 21:57:

Re: What Rumsfeld is Currentely Thinking

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
Caught this off of the smoking gun. It's a memo leaked to the press I guess. Rather interesting to see how he formulates policy.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rumsfeldmemo1.html

THAT WAS COOL!!!!
wow thanks for putting that up.

I wish i was there to see the discussion he refers to this upcoming saturday or monday

Posted by St_Andrew on Oct-23-2003 22:02:

And how secure is that source? didn't convince me, may be fake, may be true... =)

Posted by Yoepus on Oct-23-2003 22:29:

sounds like a typical lecture outline from one of my profs. for our discussion sessions.

Rummy is there still room to add your class?

Posted by MrSquirrel on Oct-23-2003 22:38:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
And how secure is that source? didn't convince me, may be fake, may be true... =)

Rumsfeld has not denied the legitimacy of the memo, he has just been downplaying it's significance.

Thanks for the link occrider....I was wondering what the memo actually said versus what was being paraphrased in the media. I would guess the administration is supremely peeved at someone in uniform . I would guess the leak was someone fairly high up who is "safe" from their KGB style witch hunts which would mean they are a fairly highly ranking member of the general staff or one of their key underlings.

Good find as always Mr. o

MrS

Posted by occrider on Oct-24-2003 05:36:

A follow up story on the memo:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/st...5p-116028c.html

Personally, all politics aside, I don't think that Rumsfeld did anything wrong with this memo. It appears that he's being a realist in trying to come to grips with reality of the Iraq situation and, in essence, is striving to come up with workable solutions to address those issues. It sucks that he's being lambasted for departing from the mentality of "everything is A-OK" but I guess he stepped on a few too many toes in the pentagon.

Posted by Johan (DJ Irish) on Oct-24-2003 11:08:

Posted by MrSquirrel on Oct-24-2003 11:12:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
A follow up story on the memo:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/st...5p-116028c.html

Personally, all politics aside, I don't think that Rumsfeld did anything wrong with this memo. It appears that he's being a realist in trying to come to grips with reality of the Iraq situation and, in essence, is striving to come up with workable solutions to address those issues. It sucks that he's being lambasted for departing from the mentality of "everything is A-OK" but I guess he stepped on a few too many toes in the pentagon.

While I do not support virtually any of Rumsfeld's policy decisions in the Pentagon, I do have more respect for him than most of the Bush cabinet outside of Powell because he always has been pretty blunt about what he thought and takes a no apologies approach to doing his job. The memo is pretty typical of what I would expect to find coming from an intelligent government official. While they may appear on the surface to be all content and happy they should be working to fix problems they see in the background.

I don't think there are more than a handful of people in DOD that would piss on Rumsfeld if he was on fire. He is on a crusade to privatize virtually all positions in the department and give them over to independent contractors.

MrS

Posted by rizo on Oct-25-2003 00:14:

I heard and read about this... so why is Bush still saying we are winning the war

Posted by Yoepus on Oct-25-2003 01:30:

quote:
Originally posted by rizen
I heard and read about this... so why is Bush still saying we are winning the war

2 reasons;

1. So we can win the war
2. So he can win the elections

Posted by occrider on Oct-25-2003 04:45:

quote:
Originally posted by rizen
I heard and read about this... so why is Bush still saying we are winning the war

There is no war ... we are attempting to secure the peace of which we have not lost. The peace is proving more difficult than realised to secure, however, the majority of Iraqis support our presence there and it is far too early to make any kind of formative judgement of ongoing efforts as is. Proper decision of whether we have "won" or "lost" the peace will come when general elections are held. No need to be premature at this point.

Posted by DR86 on Oct-26-2003 22:20:

looking at rumsfeld makes me cry...i'm gonna go cry now...

Posted by 'mju:zik on Oct-27-2003 20:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Vesa
Because most Iraqis reject the American model, the only explanation why they tolerate American troops is that they think Americans will bail out. The current development is leading Iraq into a situation where Shiites will win the peace, and Americans will lose the peace.

you couldn't be more wrong. polling data shows that the Iraqi people think that not only will iraq be better off under a new regime, BUT ALSO that the war was worth the take over. support for a new democratic regime would be almost unanimous if there didnt have to be a war.

the iraqi people are tolerating the occupation because they think that their country will be better off because of it. armed resistance is the last thing on most peoples minds. these are a people that want peace. they havent had peace in decades. they are tired of fighting.

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