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The Ramadan Attacks

OK.

So there have been more than ten attacks in Baghdad in the last 2 days. Everyone read about the hotel attack?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../iraq_attack_dc

And now the red-cross attack. There are several questions that immedeately pop into my head. The obvious ones...is the US losing control? What would happen if they withdrew from the capitol? yadayada...

BUT

one question that is especially of intrest since we have quite a few arabs here. about the the holy month. The US military has been training recently to give a good impression to the people about how it is conducting itself. ie not eating in public, not smoking, etc. But how does this look now? I mean are the soldiers going to give a fuck about Ramadan if they are getting attacked more than ever?

I think it was pretty stupid for the US to lift the curfew. They just assumed that the attacks would halt once Ramadan started?

Interesting question, IF us lose control and in the long run the whole war, what will happen then? a new terrible regime in Baghdad? probably they will produce wmd? then it will be a really hard situation to handle for the world....

It is obvious that if US troops leave Baghdad it will plunge into total chaos. But the real question is who is behind this attack. Was it forces loyal to Saddam or those alligned with Al-Quaeda. Or maybe it's the cooperation of both. Imo Bush really screwed it up there. Now instead of having 2 opposing sides out there he has a single enemy that's almost untraceable.

what I see is that the US never had any control over the country. What seemed like control was in reality fighters staying on the low or patient rebels waiting giving the US a chance to prove what they said in their rhetorics.

140000 soldiers aren't enough to keep under control a country like Iraq.

Slowly the attacks will raise in numbers and in dammage and the US will be left wondering who they should bomb so those attacks stop...

I will repeat what I had said before, when the US casualities will reach 500, the occupation forces will leave. And I will add, that if an attack does 50 US casualites at once, they will leave too.

Re: The Ramadan Attacks

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik I think it was pretty stupid for the US to lift the curfew.

why?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek the US will be left wondering who they should bomb so those attacks stop...

LoL

They should have had better aim. They could have gotten Wolfowitz.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz They should have had better aim. They could have gotten Wolfowitz.

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Slowly the attacks will raise in numbers and in dammage and the US will be left wondering who they should bomb so those attacks stop...

not particularly amusing .

Looks like you guys literally celebrate the increase of terrorism, totally forgetting that's it's not even Anti-American

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Originally posted by Tranex02 why?

because they got bombed worse than ever the day they lifted it

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Originally posted by ahlamalek what I see is that the US never had any control over the country. What seemed like control was in reality fighters staying on the low or patient rebels waiting giving the US a chance to prove what they said in their rhetorics. 140000 soldiers aren't enough to keep under control a country like Iraq. Slowly the attacks will raise in numbers and in dammage and the US will be left wondering who they should bomb so those attacks stop... I will repeat what I had said before, when the US casualities will reach 500, the occupation forces will leave. And I will add, that if an attack does 50 US casualites at once, they will leave too.

the US wont leave until there is a stable democratic government. they can't. if they did there would be a mother of all terror states in Iraq and a lot more than 500 people would get hurt because of it down the line. what they might do is set up headquarters away from major combat zones.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant not particularly amusing . Looks like you guys literally celebrate the increase of terrorism, totally forgetting that's it's not even Anti-American

honestly!

you dont think its kind of fuked up to be rooting for saddam and osama? i mean even if you hate the US, dont you want Iraq to be a nice place to live?

you obviously misunderstood

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik honestly! you dont think its kind of fuked up to be rooting for saddam and osama? i mean even if you hate the US, dont you want Iraq to be a nice place to live?

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Looks like you guys literally celebrate the increase of terrorism, totally forgetting that's it's not even Anti-American

there's a difference between thinking that a comment sounded funny and celebrating what happend.....

I laughed at ahlamalek's comment that the US will start looking somewhere else to bomb inorder to fight the terrorists....(ie. attacking another country).....

i didn't laught at the attacks that took place in baghdad......

I would never laugh at anyones death....even if they deserved it...

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik because they got bombed worse than ever the day they lifted it

so if the curfew was left in place, the attacks would not have happend???

i don't think the 4 hour curfew would have hindered the terrorists operations much....

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Originally posted by Tranex02 so if the curfew was left in place, the attacks would not have happend??? i don't think the 4 hour curfew would have hindered the terrorists operations much....

the hotel attack might not have occured

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Originally posted by Vesa The US gained most of their moral high ground when fighting Nazis. The world saw the US as being what Nazis were not. Moral enough not to terrorize local populations. Bush's accomplishment was destroying the world's illusion of the US as a considerate political team player. The multilateral alliances of equal states during both World Wars are no longer the model for the US foreign policy. But the US military is still respected around the world. The US was known for training its Spec-Ops to respect local customs. This enabled effective co-operation with pro-US guerillas in Latin America and Southern Asia. Bush's new foreign policy entails playing Globocop around the Third World for the next decades: http://www.nwc.navy.mil/newrulesets...a%20article.htm The makers of this new policy suggest that invasions like in Iraq are going to be the norm rather than the exception. Ignoring local customs would make all Iraqis join their forces to resist Americans. The US has never been occupied during its independence, so few Americans may understand the mindset of an occupied population. Nazi-like terror is the only option when the population joins its forces to oppose occupiers. The liberation of Iraqis would turn into exceptional tyranny. Saddam was not cruel for no reason, so I doubt Americans could get away with any less Moreover, the US ignoring local Iraqi customs would make all its Coalition partners look bad. Every European country was tricked into the Coalition against the public opinion by their treasonous politicians. A unilateral US decision to start oppressing Iraqi population would cause a massive backlash in Europe. It would take decades before the US could get new Coalition partners, and would need to use excessive force during all its invasions in the meantime. It may have been a mistake to lift the curfew. It was probably a trade-off situation of choosing the lesser evil. Insulting Muslim believers might have aroused a magnitude more violence. It's an ungrateful task to play Globocop. Americans need to consult with very many locals, and make compromises which may not be attractive to any local group.

totally agree.

my question was more about the psychological state of soldiers. all theyve been hearing lately is how holy this time of year is for the Iraqis...and then all the bloodshed u kno? it must be very difficult to take all this in on the front lines.

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik the hotel attack might not have occured

Well, there were some reports that the Coalition had intelligence that such at attack would take place...... and the machine that was used to attack the hotel was 'home-made'...and probably took time to put together....
both which seem to infer that the attack was being planned for some time....before the curfew was lifted...

The curfew served some use during the weeks/months after the war...

but there's no way the people will stay home at night during the month of Ramadan.......

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Originally posted by Tranex02 Well, there were some reports that the Coalition had intelligence that such at attack would take place...... and the machine that was used to attack the hotel was 'home-made'...and probably took time to put together.... both which seem to infer that the attack was being planned for some time....before the curfew was lifted... The curfew served some use during the weeks/months after the war... but there's no way the people will stay home at night during the month of Ramadan.......

the lack of curfew allowed the people that rolled the machine into the park to not seem suspicious.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant not particularly amusing . Looks like you guys literally celebrate the increase of terrorism, totally forgetting that's it's not even Anti-American

LOL I'm sorry you didn't catch the facetious/joking tone in my post.

Do you honestly think I want more terrorist attacks on US targets with my cousin over there?

The US must succeed and finish what they have started now that they have started it. There's no going back. No pulling out. If they did pull out there would be a worse situation for the Iraqi people than when they were under Saddam. Most Iraqis understand this, and that's why they reluctantly want the US to stay now that the invasion has taken place.


BTW, I don't think I'd miss Wolfowitz very much though to be honest.

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik all theyve been hearing lately is how holy this time of year is for the Iraqis...and then all the bloodshed u kno? it must be very difficult to take all this in on the front lines.

yea... they must be really confused....
I think the attacks were also a shock to many iraqi's...
out of all days, the 1st day of Ramadan....
one would think that violence would decrease in this time...

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Do you honestly think I want more terrorist attacks on US targets with my cousin over there?

That depends on what you think of your cousin

He's evil I tells ya!




j/k

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Originally posted by TranceGiant not particularly amusing . Looks like you guys literally celebrate the increase of terrorism, totally forgetting that's it's not even Anti-American

terrorist attacks are not amusing me, its the american thinking its gonna be so easy to "civilize" those barbarians and its imminent failure, thats some funny shit!

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik the US wont leave until there is a stable democratic government. they can't. if they did there would be a mother of all terror states in Iraq and a lot more than 500 people would get hurt because of it down the line. what they might do is set up headquarters away from major combat zones.

yeah civil war would ensue for sure, balkanisation of Iraq in 3 micro states, etc...

but the US tries very hard to lessen its presence by asking (begging?) other countries to play a role, even tho those countries were opposed to war since it beggining.

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik honestly! you dont think its kind of fuked up to be rooting for saddam and osama? i mean even if you hate the US, dont you want Iraq to be a nice place to live?

no one is rooting for Saddam or Osama, not me. Iraq was a nice place to live before the US/UK embargo. one of the richest arab state and secular too...

People tend to forget that.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek terrorist attacks are not amusing me, its the american thinking its gonna be so easy to "civilize" those barbarians and its imminent failure, thats some funny shit!

you're right it's not going to be easy, but when dealing with low lifes who attack the Red Cross we must be steadfast to insure that it will not be an imminent failure

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Originally posted by ahlamalek yeah civil war would ensue for sure, balkanisation of Iraq in 3 micro states, etc...

Woohoo, my little region of the world has a word named after it!

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Woohoo, my little region of the world has a word named after it!

hahah i didn't invent it, been around for some times now.

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