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is she alive?

so do you guys think that Cecelia is still alive? or is she dead in the bottom of a ravine or the lake?

I think that the likelyhood of her being found is slim to none. Sad, but I bet shes dead.

whats your take?

I havent followed the story.. I dont read local news much anymore.. my dad came down (to UofT) for dinner on saturday.. apparently this girl was kidnapped about 5 minutes from where I live..

tough issue to make any speculations about. but i tend to agree with you.


cops should spend more time preventing incidents like this instead of watching people's speed

how do you prevent something you have no way of knowing will take place?

think about this...the criminal may have no prior record, so the cops wont be looking for them...and are they supposed to watch every house, just to make sure that no one is breaking in and taking a child? they do their best by "patroling"

to be honest i dont like cops, cause they have harrased me too many times, but they are not able to prevent something like this, as easily as you make it seem.

i do hope she is still alive. But as time goes on...the chances fade.

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Originally posted by j_spot so do you guys think that Cecelia is still alive? or is she dead in the bottom of a ravine or the lake? I think that the likelyhood of her being found is slim to none. Sad, but I bet shes dead. whats your take?

My take is that you need a lesson in compassion. Don't you have anything better to do than spread negativity? You shouldn't worry so much about what happened to that girl - you should hope that she's found so the family can move forward.

Yeah, it is sad. The news is depressing enough. I don't need to come on TA and see this shit. Someone delete this insensitive thread.

i know there's no way to prevent certain things, however, there are better things cops can do than hand out speeding tickets to meet a quota, and why the fuck does it take 2 cops to write a ticket?


you know what i'm saying?? serve & protect, well, try to protect dammit

i think it's possible that she could be held for randsom and sent off to China to perform an exchange ..

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Originally posted by Heatscore My take is that you need a lesson in compassion. Don't you have anything better to do than spread negativity? You shouldn't worry so much about what happened to that girl - you should hope that she's found so the family can move forward. Yeah, it is sad. The news is depressing enough. I don't need to come on TA and see this shit. Someone delete this insensitive thread.

When they found that girl chopped up on the side of the lake, nobody deleted that thread.
Threads about Bernardo surface all the time.(well every now and then)


Cecilias abduction is a current social event, and yes its horrible. My thought may be negative, but theres a good chance its the right one.
I would hope she is found alive and well, and unharmed. then next found with the ransom, then next found harmed, and then found dead. Lastly I hope she at least is found. Not knowing would be the worst option possible for the family.

this is open discussion, we could talk about if its coincidental that rammadan starts and there are 4(I think, maybe more) attacks on 'western' insitutes in baghdad, but that doesnt touch as close to home as the abduction of a little innocent girl.
No need to delete or close. just talking here.

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Originally posted by j_spot is she dead in the bottom of a ravine or the lake? Sad, but I bet shes dead.

Regardless of if you speak is the truth, have some tact. TOTA is a Toronto msg board, people from Toronto read this board. (I'm implying that people even related to the victim might read this, you never know man)

I think a discussion about the subject, is relevent and warranted as concerned citizens of a community. But saying she's dead at the bottom of a raving is hardly "talking" man.

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Originally posted by Heatscore My take is that you need a lesson in compassion. Don't you have anything better to do than spread negativity? You shouldn't worry so much about what happened to that girl - you should hope that she's found so the family can move forward. Yeah, it is sad. The news is depressing enough. I don't need to come on TA and see this shit. Someone delete this insensitive thread.

He's only as insensitive as you are ignorant...

TOTA is a discussion forum - which includes things like the NEWS, and POLITICS, and SPORTS, not just trance or even music in general.

(I would dare say that those things are much more interesting and important than trance discussion, but everything has its place.)

If you are looking for a bubble, TA isn't it.

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Originally posted by Heatscore My take is that you need a lesson in compassion. Don't you have anything better to do than spread negativity? You shouldn't worry so much about what happened to that girl - you should hope that she's found so the family can move forward. Yeah, it is sad. The news is depressing enough. I don't need to come on TA and see this shit. Someone delete this insensitive thread.

Well I totally agree with this statement. Maybe lack of compassion is a little harsh but J-Spots choice of words could be a little more reasonable. I mean

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Sad, but I bet shes dead

Come on we're dealing with a young girl here who is still missing and is not presumed dead by any means yet. If you chose to speak your opinion on a topic use some more educated statements that may not offend those who care about the topic.

I look at the elizabeth smart case, heck she was around 9 months before found. I hope the same for cecilla.

except young girls that go missing in Toronto have a nasty tendancy of turning up dead.


This whole situation is rather strange... a few days ago, the mother was making a plea as if the child ran away from them. Thus giving rise to the idea that these parents may've not been great parents leading up to this event.

thats true
but I dont think discussing a negative event before it happens is a great idea as well. Perhaps sharing comments about how people feel about this may be a bit better. I just didnt like how it was worded..."end up at the bottom of a ravine or lake"
It is a little insensitive, and as Halo mentioned, this is a public board, and someone may know her. So this thread may hit them way harder than any of us can imagine

You guys are spending more time hashing it out with each other than you are discussing this horrendous crime...


To the family of Cecilia - My thoughts and prayers go out to you and i hope and pray that she is returned to you safe from harm as soon as possible.

to me, you guys are twisting my words a little bit by only quoting half of the idea.
but whatever, im not PC, and I wasnt trying to pussy foot around or be eloquent. Just asking the question of do you think shes alive and held captive somewhere? or dead (and presumably dumped somewhere)

If the family hasnt thought of the potential that their little girl may not be found alive, then it would be my suggestion to 'wake up' Yes, there are the occasional good cases like the Smart girl, but I dont recall that many kidnappings with good endings. Its sad, but likely.

I hope for the best, but expect the worst. I hope that when shes found (alive or dead) that she was not 'touched' in the sense that I dont even want to think about for a 9 year old, and that the person(s) who did this are found and punished accordingly.

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Originally posted by j_spot If the family hasnt thought of the potential that their little girl may not be found alive, then it would be my suggestion to 'wake up'

Well thank god they have ya!

P.S Who noticed the spelling mistake I made in the previous post? LOL! Once a t.a, always a t.a

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Originally posted by j_spot If the family hasnt thought of the potential that their little girl may not be found alive, then it would be my suggestion to 'wake up'

i'm sure that possibility has crossed their minds .. but in times like this you obviously try not too ..

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Originally posted by j_spot When they found that girl chopped up on the side of the lake, nobody deleted that thread. Threads about Bernardo surface all the time.(well every now and then) Cecilias abduction is a current social event, and yes its horrible. My thought may be negative, but theres a good chance its the right one. I would hope she is found alive and well, and unharmed. then next found with the ransom, then next found harmed, and then found dead. Lastly I hope she at least is found. Not knowing would be the worst option possible for the family. this is open discussion, we could talk about if its coincidental that rammadan starts and there are 4(I think, maybe more) attacks on 'western' insitutes in baghdad, but that doesnt touch as close to home as the abduction of a little innocent girl. No need to delete or close. just talking here.

This is a little bit nicer however I'm puzzled why you seek other people's approval of your negative opinion. I guess you're just seeing how many other pessimists there are on TOTA.

I was just hoping that this thread would be deleted since I don't understand how discussing the details of what might have happened helps anyone. To show some respect it would be thoughtful to hold off speculation of what (if anything) happened to her for a later date. However, it seems that there are some people who want to talk about this for whatever reason, so I'll stay out. cheers

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Originally posted by halo20 P.S Who noticed the spelling mistake I made in the previous post? LOL! Once a t.a, always a t.a

I noticed, but decided to leave your spelling error out.
I hope no 9 year old is ever found in a raving

But this is your community, im only a 3 year long visitor. If you dont want to talk about this. Ill just let it drop as well. What I had hoped for was that it would take off in the direction of why on earth anybody would abduct a 9 year old, and oddities in human psyche...that didnt happen. whoops.

And Im not seekig validation of my pessimistic views. I would hardly consider myself a pessimist.

i heard the mother living in the home was not her biological mother. i also heard that they are looking for the real mother in connection to this. i hope this is the case because then her safety is not in jeoprady.

Also the question I am wondering is how none of the 8 adults lving in the house heard anything. just seems a little odd to me.

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Originally posted by chanoa i heard the mother living in the home was not her biological mother. i also heard that they are looking for the real mother in connection to this. i hope this is the case because then her safety is not in jeoprady. Also the question I am wondering is how none of the 8 adults lving in the house heard anything. just seems a little odd to me.

this is where i came up with my randsom theory .. the part about her mother was proven untrue tho. She was able to certify to the police that she was in fact her biological mother.

btw. 8 adults .. ? wtf, where they living in a rooming house or something .. ??

i havent really been following the story however ive been told that nothing has been released about her father, job, wealth etc....

my theory is also that she has been taken for ransom

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Originally posted by Flec i havent really been following the story however ive been told that nothing has been released about her father, job, wealth etc.... my theory is also that she has been taken for ransom

Father is apparently a computer programmer for SunLife with a medium-high income. Mother is apparently a daycare ESL worker, middle income.

It is a bit long to not have found any clues yet.

In the other snatching case, they found stuff pretty much the next day.

I have hope that she is in fact alive because they would have found her by now if she wasn't.

If I was a psycho killer, I wouldn't hide the body so well that noone can find it. What would be the point?

It is very possible that there is more to the story which the parents are not revealing to anyone. You never know.

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