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Repressing Old Classics

I hate the idea when they re-release old classics which are hard to get like cloud 69 , yahel - voyage...
For me personally i think its spoils the value of the track. I think when repress they should repress very limited quantities. And repress it once, not over and over.

Ooo speaking of Cloud 69 Repress, when do they come out? The last repress of it was rarer than the original pressing.

I don't see why it's so bad. I think all vinyl should be available to everyone. It's about the music, not greedily hording rare records.

agreed.

its not about being greedy i also don't have the track and would love to have it but what i hate is when they re-release a track which is a classic and it gets overplayed every club you go to, and by the way they did repress it before.

i don't mean to sound greedy sorry


FIRST BONZAI BACKCATALOGUE RELEASE ANNOUNCED
The first re-release from the old Bonzai Backcatalogue will be Cloud 69 "69 Ways" upon high request from the fans! You can expect this re-release around the end of September!!!

Last I checked it's the end of October....

no repress

pfft... you're just cut ya can't hoarde 'em and then off sell 'em on ebay at some stupid price.


Bring on the re-release... and the follow ups... the re-presses, extra promos and limited edition celebratory gold plated 12" LP's!



ah... i'm done.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Last I checked it's the end of October.... no repress

same in Australia

maybe they in different time zones?

Sept 2004....?

Screw that!!Give the People what they want!!!

First of all you'd have to know that any pressing isn't going to putting vinyl in store like Best Buy for mass consumption, just back in the store where hard core listeners and DJs shop. So for the mass markets put the tracks on compilation format CDs like they are now.

I would love everyone to be able to hear "Always" by Midi Rain or "Spice" by EON both of which came out in 1992 on Vinyl Soultion Sampler CD. I've got the orginal CD new when I worked a radio station but if everyone and their uncle had it wouldn't spoil the tracks to me. I'd just give me more people to talk about it with.

Give the People what they want!!!

represses are only bad to the people who paid ridiculous amounts for the tunes.

at a guess id say the others really dont give a fuck :P

Re: Repressing Old Classics

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Originally posted by bilaal I hate the idea when they re-release old classics which are hard to get like cloud 69 , yahel - voyage... For me personally i think its spoils the value of the track. I think when repress they should repress very limited quantities. And repress it once, not over and over.

what about a tune which a lot of people want and they can't get hold off, are they then allowed to download it and press it themselves, cos music should be available to all

although i wish i had a lot of classics on vinyl, i have to agree to some extent that the rarity is one of the attractions to a good song. i mean, the best thing is finding great songs that no one else knows about and get everyone asking...damn what the hell is that song its awesome.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller although i wish i had a lot of classics on vinyl, i have to agree to some extent that the rarity is one of the attractions to a good song. i mean, the best thing is finding great songs that no one else knows about and get everyone asking...damn what the hell is that song its awesome.

Okay let's just leave that to Disney DVD videos of Snow White and 7 Dwarfs and Cinderella.

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Originally posted by Ozzie represses are only bad to the people who paid ridiculous amounts for the tunes. at a guess id say the others really dont give a fuck :P

Theres a lot more then spending money to collecting rare vinyls. If you are really willing to look hard and for a long time you will find great deals on rare vinyls. For example just today I got the black hole pressings of The Magik Tales EP (BH 101) and Space age Inventions (BH 102) for 1.50 canadian each!!! I feel that I have put a lot of hard work into building a collection that features records that most people dont have so that when I spin I can spin different stuff then what everyone else is. I think when tracks are repressed it totally devalues that time and energy.

as long as i get the track i want and/or the remixes i want, i don't give a shit if it's an original or a repress.

i understand that maybe those that bought the original gets pissed if the tune become less rare. but everyone should have a chance to get classic tunes.

what about people who joined the trance scene lately or young people?

like me

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear I don't see why it's so bad. I think all vinyl should be available to everyone. It's about the music, not greedily hording rare records.

Agreed, re-presses are good. Everyone gets access to good tunes and re-presses dont de-value an original pressing because its still 'the' original.

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Originally posted by DJ Nuclear I don't see why it's so bad. I think all vinyl should be available to everyone. It's about the music, not greedily hording rare records.

I disagree, when you play out in a club or event your main goal is to excite the crowd, NOW when there is a song that everyone has access to then what makes that DJ unique?? Same goes for going to a event to hear bigger Djs, its not always the experience of feeling that a massive Dj is among yourselves, but more of that they will play songs that have never been heard of and in a different way, thats what makes the Dj unique...

Now say i've been searching for a song for ages (2 years) and when i do get it i feel so excited that among many people that there will be a small amount of people with this current vinyl, say it got repressed and a newbie Dj who has just started grabs the repress after 2 minutes of searching, won't that lost the value of dedication...

It's how you play and how you choose the song, if all Djs played the same stuff, what is the use of a second Dj.

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Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis I disagree, when you play out in a club or event your main goal is to excite the crowd, NOW when there is a song that everyone has access to then what makes that DJ unique?? Same goes for going to a event to hear bigger Djs, its not always the experience of feeling that a massive Dj is among yourselves, but more of that they will play songs that have never been heard of and in a different way, thats what makes the Dj unique... Now say i've been searching for a song for ages (2 years) and when i do get it i feel so excited that among many people that there will be a small amount of people with this current vinyl, say it got repressed and a newbie Dj who has just started grabs the repress after 2 minutes of searching, won't that lost the value of dedication... It's how you play and how you choose the song, if all Djs played the same stuff, what is the use of a second Dj.

Yeah but a re-press isnt an original, the original is intrinsically and sentimentally worth more than a re-press.
Think of it in terms of CD burning. I have Ulrich Schnauss - 'Far away trains passing by', a rare album - only 3000 made I think. I have made copies for mates, increasing the amount of albums around, but that doesnt reduce the value of my original, because they are copies.

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Originally posted by Prototrance Yeah but a re-press isnt an original, the original is intrinsically and sentimentally worth more than a re-press. Think of it in terms of CD burning. I have Ulrich Schnauss - 'Far away trains passing by', a rare album - only 3000 made I think. I have made copies for mates, increasing the amount of albums around, but that doesnt reduce the value of my original, because they are copies.

Yeh i know but the fact is that aquiring a rare song has more satisfaction than having a older version of a new release...

DOWN with represses IMO..

I mean come on, search for the songs, spend heaps of money getting that song...don't make it available to everyone...i know this might sound silly BUT do you know that Armin Universal Religion Vinyl how they said it was limited to 1000 copies, now the owners of those vinyls must have a feeling of satisfaction that they acquired something hard to come by, now if they repress 2000 more how would you feel???

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Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis i know this might sound silly BUT do you know that Armin Universal Religion Vinyl how they said it was limited to 1000 copies, now the owners of those vinyls must have a feeling of satisfaction that they acquired something hard to come by, now if they repress 2000 more how would you feel???

Yeah, that sort of stuff pisses me off, because that directly affects the value of the 1st presses because others that are exactly the same are made. I was talking about re-presses in the true context, such as when Hooj Choons began a re-press series, one of which was Cygnus X - The Orange theme. And the Lost language Exhibition vinyl album which has Solar Stone - Seven Cities (Atlantis mix) on it. These are totally different to the original releases of these tunes and thus give people access to good tunes but dont affect the aura held by the original's.

However, I know what your going to say now.............. neither of my examples were rare tunes/releases in the first place..........Right?

So I suggest a common ground:-

Re-presses of classics/older tunes is a good thing because more people get access to great music.

Re-presses/re-releases of rare tunes is not necessarily a good thing because in doing so they cease to become rare.

What do you think Psygnosis?

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Originally posted by Prototrance Re-presses of classics/older tunes is a good thing because more people get access to great music. Re-presses/re-releases of rare tunes is not necessarily a good thing because in doing so they cease to become rare.

Agreed 100%, rare songs should never be touched i.e songs that have been limited to a small amount and released a from a long period...i mean it's that what gives it the rare name, the timeline???


Songs like The Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia should get re-pressed i think, first off all it's well sought after and it's not rare...BUT there are a few songs like the MEA CULPA TIME AND MOTION EP that shouldn't be touched of it's rarity.

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Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis Yeh i know but the fact is that aquiring a rare song has more satisfaction than having a older version of a new release... DOWN with represses IMO.. I mean come on, search for the songs, spend heaps of money getting that song...don't make it available to everyone...i know this might sound silly BUT do you know that Armin Universal Religion Vinyl how they said it was limited to 1000 copies, now the owners of those vinyls must have a feeling of satisfaction that they acquired something hard to come by, now if they repress 2000 more how would you feel???

You don't understand the difference between an "Orignal" and a repressing do you?? Okay let's try this one out for you If someone makes a kit car copy of an AC Cobra will having that on the market devalue the orginal AC Cobras??? NO!!
Okay now let's try this one out. If 200,000 lithograph copies of a very rare Van Gogh painting like this one below are created and sold at Prints Plus stores in mall across the world....


Would that make the original painting worth less money on the auction market?? NO cause you can only have 1 original. Even if there were 5000 from the original pressing released and then 5 years later another 5000 were released the value to a "Real" collector won't change cause they will won't one of those original 5000 copies.

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