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Andain - Beautiful Things - Public performance prohibited

What does it mean "Public Performance Prohibited" on a vinyl?

My friend just got a copy of Andain - Beautiful Things (Black Hole recordings) off onlydjs.com and it says on the cover that Public performance of this track is prohibited... The same is also the case with Cor Fijneman - Venus (also off black hole recordings)

I thought that when you buy a vinyl you buy the rights to spin it as well. no ?

^Yeah that's what ur friend thought too when he was buying that vinyl from the online store. I am kinda confused now, I was always thinking of buying a record as of paying certain copyright fee to the label and to the artist for the right to play it publically....

While I do not know the answer to the first question (if the new line on the Blackhole records is giving you different rights then other recrods).
However the point that the second poster brings up is not exactly how it works. What happens is you buy the record. Horah for you, it is no different from getting a CD (singlle or album) except a lot bigger . Now when you buy your music you have it and you can listen to it and play it for friends but NOT IN PUBLIC. However if you take that same record to a bar/club that has paid a licencing fee to have the "public performance" of recorded music then you can play the same record you bought. It comes down to the fact that the club owner is paying for the right for playing it in public, you are not by simply buying a 10 dollar record.
I have no idea how this is affected by the original comment, though maybe Blackhole is worried that so many people do not understand that simply because they bought the record they cannot play it pulicly (without what I said before). Maybe this is Blackhole's solution, I have no idea.

blimey I've never heard of that before! But really, who's going to enforce such a rule? I wonder why it's applied to Venus and Beautiful Things.. but not others.. I guess many other labels welcome the promotion that they get from DJs spinning their releases. hmm weird.

If you ask me, for vinyls, the only ones buying them are djs, so the label should be expecting them to be played publicly. And they have nothing to loose, if anything its promotion because another dj might here the track at the club, like it and want to play it, and then go out and buy it.
I know I've done this

you are entitled to, it's just places where you play have to have licences to play music, etc.

thats all its for, it aint stopping you personally.

ha, i'd love to see the day to see some idiot playin vengaboys records on his dad's 40 year old record player for his "house party" that he charged 5 dollars a head for cover. See if the RIAA is gonna go bustin down his door and suin his ass.

Seems like the only people that care are the ones that are in this game for profit.

There have been lots of toppics about this before. It's pretty simple actually. If you buy a record, you buy the copyrights of the record for 1 person (=you). If you want to play the record in a club, the club needs to pay the copyrights for all the people in that club. The money has to be paid to the RIAA(yes, the evil one).

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Originally posted by Tiger777 There have been lots of toppics about this before. It's pretty simple actually. If you buy a record, you buy the copyrights of the record for 1 person (=you). If you want to play the record in a club, the club needs to pay the copyrights for all the people in that club. The money has to be paid to the RIAA(yes, the evil one).

What about import records?

es

fuck em.
just play the record when you wanna play it where you wanna play it.
enjoy it and make everyone else enjoy it.

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Originally posted by Vert What about import records? es

If you live in the US, you have to pay to the RIAA. Every country has it's organisation (for belgium eg, it's SABAM (yeah, they're as evil as the RIAA ))

ive seen this for the first time too...i guess its black hole's shit..just spin the fucking record and get ur crowd excited!

Technically in the US, I think the licence fees go to ASCAP (or another one, I can't remember the name of) but not the RIAA.

meh ... you're all sooooo wrong!







it just means you're not officially allowed to sing along in public.

It's like that on every record in fine print...

fuck it. just play the record...nobody is going to care, probably not even the RIAA. they have bigger issues to deal with, like all those "thieves" who get tunes from P2P networks

I thinks that Rule is just to us it "For just in Case" ... for prventing something that its more than playing in public... not for everyone who buys the record... its like u are broking the rule but its not a bid deal... wht when its a big deal.. they can make u respect the rule.... i guess..... whats how it wokrs some other stuffs.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave It's like that on every record in fine print...

exactly I can't believe no one has brought that up before


Legislation for public performance is as follows :

flat RIAA/ASCAP fees, attendance based ( more people = more money to pay )

or

RIAA/ASCAP per track fee/attendance based ( more tracks played = more money to pay ).


This kind of stuff rarely gets enforced but when it does TRUST ME PEOPLE clubs pay for it majorly!
This local club which brought in numerous headliners ( and still do ) wasn't paying anything to the RIAA .... they got hit with a relatively huge fine + all recordings of artists ( club would record the djs but wasn't spreading any copies ) were seized.
These idiots still didn't learn. They currently play movies when evenings are a little bit slow or if it's not a headliner.... Well that's even more serious then not paying for music. Watch em get shut down by the MPAA!

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