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poor trance genre

Now imagine all these thousand people around the globe, haviong lots of different ( software and hardware ) synths, ideas, are addicted to trance and produce music. Some have a label, others don't but the majority of them has one thing in common:

The are not innovative or original.

They copy other artists styles without reaching their level.

They remix old classics in order to get people's attention but they often ruin completly the feeling of the original.

Trance somehow got stuck. No really new things everything we get to hear is just standard sounds with standards build ups for standard melodies execpt some exceptional exceptions.

why here too ? Never hear something experimental here on this forum. SO often just standard trancers ( including my own tracks sometimes ), wannabe remixes and lousy clones.

shouldn't we all be more innovative and creative ?
(This is also for me, lots of my latest works had a little boring standard sounding )


Trancevision

Agreed but pretty sure this has been discussed like 9 million times before.

Agreed, this has been discussed before.

use the search function

Re: poor trance genre

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Originally posted by Trancevision execpt some exceptional exceptions.

Well said !

Well you're right that we should create more different sounds.But what do you mean when you say "some exeptional exeptions"? Give some examples ?

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Originally posted by hey cheggy Agreed, this has been discussed before. use the search function

but not here in the promotion forum where you can regularly see the average boring output too often...

Trancevision

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some exeptional exeptions

Pjort G - Mausige
Haak - Frenzy
Marco V - Godd
Dj Tiesto - FLight 642

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Originally posted by Trancevision Dj Tiesto - FLight 642

I've never heard this one I've heard Flight 643 by DJ Tiesto,but not 642

I think the focus on quality instead of trying to be "original" may be just fine until the point where you have mixing skills good enough to, for example, put out a record. But that's just MHO

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definately agree with trancevision that there's way too little experimentation going on here. i have more fun these days checking out a local board even though there are very few trance producers there, but atleast everybody is making different stuff and experimenting alot.

the board is here http://www.plur.no/forum/summary.as...B%5FAP731998178
it's in norwegian though, but just click on the threads and look for a link heh.

personally i don't understand how people here can go from uplifting trancer to uplifting trancer all the time. ofcourse you have to try perfecting the sound, but still i find it alot more fun trying new styles and sounds.

I half agree. I agree that experimenting with new sounds is a good thing. I do not think there is a problem with producing "uplifting trancer after uplifting trancer." It's very hard to establish a fanbase when each one of your songs sounds drastically different. I say keep to your genre (or atleast keep your alias to its genre) but experiment within the genre. For instance I would consider Seven Cities and Nocturnal Creatures to both be uplifting trance tracks. They sound absolutely nothing alike in any way however.

You say that there's not enough innovative or original material here, yet it seems to me that it's only the more typical melodic, uplifting trance stuff that gets any real attention in this forum anyway! Well, most of the time.

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Originally posted by State of Matter I say keep to your genre (or at least keep your alias to its genre) but experiment within the genre.

agreed 100%

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Originally posted by Trancevision Pjort G - Mausige Haak - Frenzy Marco V - Godd Dj Tiesto - FLight 642

This is not really trance.This is more techno that trance.

Re: poor trance genre

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Originally posted by Trancevision why here too ? Never hear something experimental here on this forum. SO often just standard trancers (including my own tracks sometimes), wannabe remixes and lousy clones. Trancevision

WOAH! Hold up there!

Remixers are trying to be LOUSY clones? What the fuck? Every remix i have heard on here is not trying to clone the original song! EVERY remix I do i try my hardest to make different, and make it how I want it to sound! So you can shove your screwy comments about remixers where the sun dont shine buddy!

I love to remix, sometimes I like it more than making my own songs!

And why does every tune have to be experimental? Have you ever stopped to think that people might actually LIKE this "unexperiemental" trance? And more to the point, ENJOY making it more? Guess not........

Shep

P.S. - Sorry for heatedness, i just found that to be VERY unjust!

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Originally posted by Shepless WOAH! Hold up there! Remixers are trying to be LOUSY clones? What the fuck? Every remix i have heard on here is not trying to clone the original song! EVERY remix I do i try my hardest to make different, and make it how I want it to sound! So you can shove your screwy comments about remixers where the sun dont shine buddy! I love to remix, sometimes I like it more than making my own songs! And why does every tune have to be experimental? Have you ever stopped to think that people might actually LIKE this "unexperiemental" trance? And more to the point, ENJOY making it more? Guess not........ Shep P.S. - Sorry for heatedness, i just found that to be VERY unjust!

*lol*

I might have thought about that someone would react like this .
I respect the work of remixers and perhaps you remember that I did some remixes too some months ago.
But actually I have the vision that much more could be possible in reaching a new level in music if people gave up trying to recreate existing tunes ( and sounds and styles ).

I also have several friends which are professional DJs for trance, hard trance and other stuff. If an amateur remix hasn't something original or quite special, it is, according to them, just another wannabe tune from someone who is trying to be new a ferry corsten, tiesto, cosmic gate.

Trancevision

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Originally posted by Trancevision Haak - Frenzy

an exception??? it sounds like push! its a great track but it totally steals push's sound

mart/echano has a sound all his own on this forum...not relying on big riffs but still meodic and driving.

alot of his stuff can be played anywhere in a set, which is a rare find

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Originally posted by MaRt You say that there's not enough innovative or original material here, yet it seems to me that it's only the more typical melodic, uplifting trance stuff that gets any real attention in this forum anyway! Well, most of the time.

prime example.....Icone

I got nothing against wim, but the tracks/remixes he posts all follow the same formula with the same sounds, same synths, same percs

and they are ALL 1999/2000 trance

and yet people cream over every track...... puzzles me

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Originally posted by George Kendall an exception??? it sounds like push! its a great track but it totally steals push's sound mart/echano has a sound all his own on this forum...not relying on big riffs but still meodic and driving. alot of his stuff can be played anywhere in a set, which is a rare find

Not really, it does have some aspects that are alike the stuff MIKE does, but it isn't exactly a rip off.

Anyhow, if someone said that about a track I made, I would take it as a huge compliment

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Originally posted by George Kendall prime example.....Icone I got nothing against wim, but the tracks/remixes he posts all follow the same formula with the same sounds, same synths, same percs and they are ALL 1999/2000 trance and yet people cream over every track...... puzzles me

incorrect. there's the general icone sound of course, but he has always new samples and effetcs going on. compare 'daytime (icone remix)' with 'astra', you'll see.

and about haak, i disagree too. the bassline is a bit similar, but that's about it.

I like to think that I have a unique sound to my tracks. I focus on simple, slow melodies complimented by deep, moving string arrangements.

But anyways, produce what you like to produce, don't try to make music for other people. If everybody stopped producing tracks that had the Ferry sound, a year from now people will be asking why no trance is produced like that anymore, and that those were the good old days of trance.

I don't agree. Have a look at any genre of music. perfect example, 80's metal or punk. They havent changed much. Iron maiden still makes the same music today as they did back in the 80's, and alot of punk bands today copy greenday, but people still go mental over them. I say if something sounds good, why change it. Sure experimentation is good, but music evolves like everything else over time. Trance is trance. The melodies will always be recognizable and follow some sort of pattern. As new software and hardware is created, so will new sounds be created, and trance will take on a new form. But the basics :4/4 kick, drum rolls, euphoric buildups, arped melodies, and pads will always be there, because they are building blocks of what trance is all about. Blowjobs i'm sure havent changed for thousands of year since back when cavemen roamed the earth, so why should trance ? both are great and both give me a rush. peace

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Originally posted by State of Matter I half agree. I agree that experimenting with new sounds is a good thing. I do not think there is a problem with producing "uplifting trancer after uplifting trancer." It's very hard to establish a fanbase when each one of your songs sounds drastically different. I say keep to your genre (or atleast keep your alias to its genre) but experiment within the genre. For instance I would consider Seven Cities and Nocturnal Creatures to both be uplifting trance tracks. They sound absolutely nothing alike in any way however.

Well said there mate

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Originally posted by George Kendall prime example.....Icone I got nothing against wim, but the tracks/remixes he posts all follow the same formula with the same sounds, same synths, same percs and they are ALL 1999/2000 trance and yet people cream over every track...... puzzles me

well... thanks i guess

i also focus on little things, maybe not the stuff everyone will notice, but i try. i cannot make an uplifting trancer, hard trancer, chillout trancer, psy trancer, ... all with "icone", i'm afraid. i do try different stuff with different aliases (infinite streams - hard trance, angel of light - chill trance, ...) which almost nobody knows about. so if you'd want me to make a track with a pad lead, that's done a zzzzillion times lately, i'm afraid i have to say i won't. at least not with "icone"

permit me to say that the old days are more appealing to me as well, maybe therefrom the influence

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Originally posted by George Kendall mart/echano has a sound all his own on this forum...not relying on big riffs but still meodic and driving. alot of his stuff can be played anywhere in a set, which is a rare find

... and that's why you signed him? j/k

no offence mate, but haak's things are hardly unoriginal i think. it's ok for me to say my sound is recognizable with a few years back, but i personally don't think haak sounds like push. try to put things a bit more in perspective...

I would say that we "producers" listen to much to trance. Thats because we slowly get fed up with this shit that is often postet here in the forum. So just take some weeks off from trance and then start and listen again...for me it worked!
I think Haak is one of the outstanding producers together with Santiago Nino...they are creative and make sounds nobody ever used before. And Frenzy is in no way similar to the push tracks(who would think such a thing )
I say keep up the good work...and copying is good to learn the basics of production but not to make a track that moves a crowd!

you know, i sometimes ask my self, if the varation and ideas and melodies will end up someday in the Trance buissnes..

Because each track gets tons of remixes(good or bad), each day we get new orignal projects(from pro's or amateurs).

But i always hear something new, and thats whats so cool about Trance..

For the producing issue, well i disagree with you vison, when someone makes a track, i think he is willing and going to try to make it as his own..

Trying new stuff? can you be more exact please, what should be made so new? the stucture? synths?.

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