Israel is the biggest threat to world peace?

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Posted by St_Andrew on Nov-02-2003 20:16:

Israel is the biggest threat to world peace?

a poll in EU shows that europeans think that israel is the biggest threat to world peace (even before iran and north korea...).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/St...1076084,00.html

Posted by Flotser on Nov-02-2003 21:02:

it only shows how much the news reports in eourope are biased.

one of the officials of the Israeli Foreign ministry, gave scary exmpales for this from Spanish news-papers,
one them was,
that right after the suicide bombing in Sbarro Restaurant in jerusalem (killing aporx. 20 people (i cant remember) ) the paper said : "Bush is worried that israel wants to exterminate the palestinian people"

Posted by Yoepus on Nov-02-2003 23:59:

no but we're Europe, we are so much smarter and wiser then everyone else! We don't let our TV make biased reports and propogate us... we know better... we are informed and have good foreign policy understanding and opinion...

sigh

When will the Europeans learn they are just like everyone else, they need to get off their moral ladder and see face to face with the rest of the world.

Posted by Az on Nov-03-2003 00:09:

the situation in Israel, and the after effects it has created are blatantly the biggest threats to world peace, got nothing to do with biased media....

Posted by hardcore trancer on Nov-03-2003 00:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Flotser
it only shows how much the news reports in eourope are biased.

Why do u call everyone and everyting Biased because they are against your regime??it seems to me that since u are not hearing what u wanna hear u call everything and everyone biased.Why dont you at least admit that ur government is an optical against the peace in middle east,and yes I know bothe sides have done things wrong,Iam not saying the Palastinian government is perfect either.
I just hope you realize that Isreali government isnt great as you might think.
So please stop calling everything that is against your beliefs biased.

Posted by Yoepus on Nov-03-2003 00:20:

Do you really believe that?

If Israel were to invade Palestinian areas and kill Arafat probably transfer several thousdan Palestinains (worst possible case scenario), which Israel is capable of, what would the world-wide reaction be?

I'll tell you, sanctions probably, and some terrorists would be really pissed.

Now if North Korea were to invade all of South Korea, kill their prime-minister, or if Iran was to Invade Iraq and kill the current interm president, you know what the world reaction would be? Probably the closest thing we could get to WWIII.

Posted by Arbiter on Nov-03-2003 00:41:

It's either biased or just incredibly stupid. Take your pick.

Posted by Izzy on Nov-03-2003 00:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
It's either biased or just incredibly stupid. Take your pick.

i agree. i'm even insulted by such a poll. there is nothing israel would like better then to live in peace with this world. i hate to generalize, but when i say that i am speaking for almost the entire israeli population

Posted by Flotser on Nov-03-2003 00:57:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Why do u call everyone and everyting Biased because they are against your regime??

its not true!
i dont call everything biased, i used this meaning of the word only last time in the recent Palestinian's post.... thats all, so please dont generalize!

only people that dont understand whats realy going here can say, that a democracy (that already signed agreements with 2 arab neighbours and returned big land) is more dangeraous to world peace than N.Korea that is the closest thing today to Hitler's Geramny (+ Atom Weapons).
and Iran that spreads hatred and money for terror all across middle east...
and i can go on and on....
but whats the point realy?

the point is that EU citizens are recieving False information that distores logic and reality

Posted by hardcore trancer on Nov-03-2003 01:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Flotser
and Iran that spreads hatred and money for terror all across middle east...
and i can go on and on....

Riiiiiiiiiight,seecooments like this are the ones that creat problems in the middle east,call everyone terrorist

quote:
the point is that EU citizens are recieving False information that distores logic and reality

ya ok,it is Isreal and the U.S that are far from reality,and think every arab country or muslim supports terrorism.
Even if one day the whole world tells Isreal that they are wrong,with the way they are treating the Palastinian people you'll probabaly will call them bias and say that they distored from reality.

Posted by LiquidX on Nov-03-2003 02:46:

- After talking to my historian teacher about the situation with Israel and Palestine, I have come to my own conclusion. I never wanted to give a certain opinion on this, cause I really didnt have that much of an idea of why the situation. - For my understing, Israel was funded by the British and US so jews could settle after the WWII. So basically, those lands were really taken from the Palestine.- Then, Israel really made the muslims around it look ridiculous after this one war. And thats when they obtain hate against Irael. right?!?.. or at least strengthen it. Then after, Israel and been eating more and more land.. really pissing the Palestine off, more when all that land was once theirs, or lived in it.
- Well, it would be nice to see the Israelis get along with the Palestine and such, but its just an obvious reason of why the hate against Israel, and why Israel is got so much hate against it. ever since WWII. So rally, when it comes to land issues, I would really have to agree with the Palestine. And if theres anyone to blame, Id blame the US and British for making the Israeli state in there. or for atleast funding it there. But I know.. its all because of the old history and yes yes. All I know is, people around there will never live in peace and happy.

Its obvious good to hear the Isralies side, but I also listen to the others side. And I concour with both sides on some issues, but really, Israel needs to get is mind and heads together, and really see how they are taking up the lands. Either for security or not.. its wrong.. especially that fence. Thats like the spark for the trouble in there.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Nov-03-2003 03:06:

quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
- After talking to my historian teacher about the situation with Israel and Palestine, I have come to my own conclusion. I never wanted to give a certain opinion on this, cause I really didnt have that much of an idea of why the situation. - For my understing, Israel was funded by the British and US so jews could settle after the WWII. So basically, those lands were really taken from the Palestine.- Then, Israel really made the muslims around it look ridiculous after this one war. And thats when they obtain hate against Irael. right?!?.. or at least strengthen it. Then after, Israel and been eating more and more land.. really pissing the Palestine off, more when all that land was once theirs, or lived in it.
- Well, it would be nice to see the Israelis get along with the Palestine and such, but its just an obvious reason of why the hate against Israel, and why Israel is got so much hate against it. ever since WWII. So rally, when it comes to land issues, I would really have to agree with the Palestine. And if theres anyone to blame, Id blame the US and British for making the Israeli state in there. or for atleast funding it there. But I know.. its all because of the old history and yes yes. All I know is, people around there will never live in peace and happy.

Its obvious good to hear the Isralies side, but I also listen to the others side. And I concour with both sides on some issues, but really, Israel needs to get is mind and heads together, and really see how they are taking up the lands. Either for security or not.. its wrong.. especially that fence. Thats like the spark for the trouble in there.

Iam glad that you understand whats REALLY going on there,but prepared to get flamed from some of the Isreali TAs on this board,since Iam sure they gonna call your opinions biased and that you are brainwashed or something.Once again I wanna say that you've come up with a great conclusion and and some great FACTS.
The Fence is a big peoblem to achieve peace,and it shows just how pathatic the Isreali government really is.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Nov-03-2003 03:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
no but we're Europe, we are so much smarter and wiser then everyone else! We don't let our TV make biased reports and propogate us... we know better... we are informed and have good foreign policy understanding and opinion...

That sounded like some American who watch CNN alot,and It is true,Europeans are alot open minded,unlike the U.S. and Isreal by far.

quote:
When will the Europeans learn they are just like everyone else, they need to get off their moral ladder and see face to face with the rest of the world.

maybe U.S and Isreal should wake up and see whats really going and realize not every middle eastern country are terrorists??

Posted by Yoepus on Nov-03-2003 03:45:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
maybe U.S and Isreal should wake up and see whats really going and realize not every middle eastern country are terrorists??

No your right, no every middle eastern country, just Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Yemen, Oman, and Saudia Arabia primarly.

Posted by Palestinian on Nov-03-2003 04:48:

the only country in the middle east with nuclear weapons is which? Yes, Israel.

Liquid X, yes you got it. You have a much better understanding of the conflict now. Of course, like Hardcore Trancer said, expect others in this forum to call your history teacher a biased and brainwashed teacher and your facts biased or brainwashed or anti-semitic. That's what they call all of us.

Posted by Alccode on Nov-03-2003 05:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
No your right, no every middle eastern country, just Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Yemen, Oman, and Saudia Arabia primarly.

The vast majority of people in those countries are not terrorist-oriented. In every country (including Israel as human nature is everywhere the same) you probably have the same proportion of "haters" (a.k.a. terrorists, terrorists-to-be, or those with terrorist-mindsets) to the rest of the population.

Anyway, it's not a specific country X that is the "most" of a threat to world peace, it's humanity's delusions that are a threat to world peace. We shouldn't be blaming each other but look at ourselves and see what is fundamentally imbalanced there, that the world should be as such in consequence.

Posted by Izzy on Nov-03-2003 05:25:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Riiiiiiiiiight,seecooments like this are the ones that creat problems in the middle east,call everyone terrorist

so do you deny what floster says and really belive that iran does not spread hatred and money for terror all across middle east?

Liquid X, even if everything you say is true, does that imply that Israel is the most dangerous country to world peace?

Posted by hardcore trancer on Nov-03-2003 05:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Palestinian
the only country in the middle east with nuclear weapons is which? Yes, Israel.

No but you see it is all good if they have Nuclear weapons,they'll never use it,its for their protection you see

and then Iran wants to a nuclear power plant FOR THE PEOPLE of Iran,and then the U.S. is all over them with the whole WMD bullshit.

Posted by Izzy on Nov-03-2003 05:31:

Posted by 2hardcore4u on Nov-03-2003 05:34:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
No but you see it is all good if they have Nuclear weapons,they'll never use it,its for their protection you see

and then Iran wants to a nuclear power plant FOR THE PEOPLE of Iran,and then the U.S. is all over them with the whole WMD bullshit.

No it's good if no one in the world has nuclear weapons. Like Gorbechev proposed in 1987 to the USA and the world that we get rid of all of them but no one was listening. If you're never going to use them then why have them in the first place? The only reason they are around so nations can have some sort of power over a small nation. It's really a fault in humanity.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Nov-03-2003 05:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Izzy
so do you deny what floster says and really belive that iran does not spread hatred and money for terror all across middle east?

ooooooooooh how come it is ok that the U.S gives all these weapons to isrel,and no one can say anything??if thats ok with you,then I dont see anything wrong with for example Iran or any other country to support Palastinian.
why cant the Palastinians have all those high tech weapons like Isreal???why Isreal deserves to have them,and not Palastine?
because they are all terrorist right?

Posted by hardcore trancer on Nov-03-2003 05:39:

quote:
Originally posted by 2hardcore4u
The only reason they are around so nations can have some sort of power over a small nation. It's really a fault in humanity.

yup it is sad and true unfortunatly

Posted by Izzy on Nov-03-2003 05:39:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
ooooooooooh how come it is ok that the U.S gives all these weapons to isrel,and no one can say anything??if thats ok with you,then I dont see anything wrong with for example Iran or any other country to support Palastinian.
why cant the Palastinians have all those high tech weapons like Isreal???why Isreal deserves to have them,and not Palastine?
because they are all terrorist right?

stop changing the subject... do you deny that fact that iran preachs hate towards jews (and the US and the western culture) and sends its money to originzations that use terrorism such as hezbollah, or were you just justifiying it in your response?

Posted by hardcore trancer on Nov-03-2003 05:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Izzy
the difference between some of the middle east countries and israel is that in israel the government actively seeks to punish and destroy any terrorist infrastructure that's within the country. They do not create a haven for them.

if you are talking about Iraq beign the haven for terrorists,go thank the U.S. for the lovely job that they are doing there!

Posted by Yoepus on Nov-03-2003 05:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
The vast majority of people in those countries are not terrorist-oriented. In every country (including Israel as human nature is everywhere the same) you probably have the same proportion of "haters" (a.k.a. terrorists, terrorists-to-be, or those with terrorist-mindsets) to the rest of the population.

I wasn't talking about proportion, even though I do believe their is a larger majority of people that are terrorist and terrorist supporters in the countries I mentioned. For this though I have only the polls of opinion to reference this on.

What I do reference the aforementioned countries as being supportive of terror is their financial and organizational support of terrorist organizations ("proxy" organizations). Iran does not conduct terror no, but the Hezbullah which is highly funded and trained by Iran does. Saudia Arabia the government does not train terrorist, but they offer financial assitance to organizations like Al Qaida.

quote:
and then Iran wants to a nuclear power plant FOR THE PEOPLE of Iran,and then the U.S. is all over them with the whole WMD bullshit.

I hate carrying this off-topic, but Iran as I mention above highly supports and funds proxy organizations to do their dirty work in their interest across the middle east and the world. Hezbullah has been know to actively carry terrorist attacks with high bruality. No one is really scared if Iran has nuclear weapons, they are scared if they share these weapons with their proxies (as they are "un-officially" llinked with Iran, not officially). Israel on the otherhand has no proxy organization and does not mendle in other countries' foreign affairs via the use of any such proxies.

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