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Posted by teknasia on Nov-05-2003 08:27:

C major stuff??

Yeah i'm pretty noobish when it comes to notes and stuff.. I'm producing for a while now but still can't figure out what the C major is..

this is the pianoroll in Reason 2.5



Can anyone of you guyz help me out?

what about the other notes?

when i'm looking at this thread it's like wtf
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=139250

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--G---G---G---G
-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E
C---C---C---C---

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thx!!


Posted by danielrong on Nov-05-2003 08:42:

whole-whole-half-whole-whole-whole-half

thats the formula on major scales..if this dont make sense to you i suggest u read up on some music theory


Posted by J.L. on Nov-05-2003 08:59:

Ok... Let's say you are producing a track in C Major
The notes that are in C Major are
C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J... etc...

j/k

it would be
C, D, E, F, G, A, B

Now.. each chord has a root note... and guess what that note is in C Major... C!!! duh... anyways... with each note, there is a chord associated with it that uses the root note, the note three notes above, and the note that's five notes above... (I III V)

In this case, a C chord in C Major would be C E G (uses all the notes in C Major)... which would be a C Major chord...

Now let's take for example an A chord in C Major... It would use the following notes (A C E) which would be a minor chord...

here's a brief summary of all the chords you would find in C Major
I / C major / C E G
II / D Minor / D F A
III / E Minor / E G B
IV / F Major / F A C
V / G Major / G B D
VI / A Minor / A C E
VII / B Minor b5 / B D F

note: the last chord is usually not used by itself but rather as V7
which is G B D F instead of B D F

The key that uses the same notes as C Major but is in Minor key would be A Minor

Minor keys come in several different flavours
Natural:
A B C D E F G

Melodic:
A B C D E F# G#

Harmonic:
A B C D E F G#

*note melodic and harmonic actually adds a semitone to the 6th/7th note making it sharp

Try playing this in the piano roll, you'll hear the difference between the different minor keys
As with the major keys, you can use the notes of these to form various different chords which I won't go through again

Now back to the Major Key... Let's say you want to make a melody that doesn't suck...

Basically, the easiest way to come up with melodies is to take both Major and Minor chords, somehow fit them together, and then take out some of the notes from those chords

for example:
C Major, A Minor, F Major, G Major
C G /C A /C F /D G
you could use let's say 2 notes from each chord

C G A B/ A C B G/ C F A C/ A B G D
and come up with some melody like this.. (note... you do NOT have to use all the notes from the chord.. but rather the chords are a guideline for placing down notes... using one or two notes from the chord is enough)


damn... all that typing.. gotta get back to studying and stop my procrastination from work

hope that helped


Posted by teknasia on Nov-05-2003 10:13:

yeah thx but euh.. if you check the piano roll... there's only C1, C2, C3, C4, and so on...

damn i really need to learn about this :/


sorry guyz for the trouble.. I can't call myself a producer till I get it



Posted by _Marco_ on Nov-05-2003 11:30:

well c is the note the number next to it is the octave (how high is the note). Now it goes like this for example between c1 & c2 u have:
C1 D1 E1 F1 G1 A1 B1 C2 which are the white notes
hope u understand


Posted by teknasia on Nov-05-2003 15:10:

something like this?


Posted by State of Matter on Nov-05-2003 15:48:

Exactly like that And the black keys (none in the C Major scale) are either the sharp of the white note before it or the flat of the white note after it, depending on the scale. For instance, G Major is: G A B C D E F#.


Posted by Sean Walsh on Nov-05-2003 16:06:

quote:
Originally posted by teknasia
something like this?



That's right, except that they should all be in the 3rd octave, not the 4th.

Octaves go from C to C, not from A to A.

So, B3 is higher than C3, but lower than C4. For example:
B2 - C3 - D3 - E3 - F3 - G3 - A3 - B3 - C4


Posted by teknasia on Nov-05-2003 16:19:

aha so from C3 to C4 = 1 octave?


Posted by Sean Walsh on Nov-05-2003 16:43:

You got it.


Posted by teknasia on Nov-05-2003 17:13:

So like this?



what were the black blocks again?

D4# ?


why is Reason using notes from C1 - C2 - C3, ... ?
*edit* because octaves go from C to C .. ok get it


Posted by dbl on Nov-05-2003 17:17:

quote:
Originally posted by teknasia
why is Reason using notes from C1 - C2 - C3, ... ?
*edit* because octaves go from C to C .. ok get it


dunno why it is like this, but it's the same in fruity


Posted by Sean Walsh on Nov-05-2003 18:45:

quote:
Originally posted by teknasia
So like this?



what were the black blocks again?

D4# ?


why is Reason using notes from C1 - C2 - C3, ... ?
*edit* because octaves go from C to C .. ok get it


Got it. In addition, the black notes in between are sharps/flats.

IE. The black note between C and D is C Sharp/D Flat

Though I doubt this will ever apply to you, it may still be worth noting. Notice that between B and C there is no black key, but sometimes you'll still see someone refer to something like "B Sharp". B Sharp is just C (a sharp means to just go up a semitone, flat means to go down a semitone.) You also might see something called a double-sharp, which just means to go up a full tone (C double-sharp is D). Again, these are details you will probably never encounter, but good to know just in case.



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