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what children are exposed to in the territories

www.isratv.com/video/filmpmwadsl.asx

it speaks for itself

unfortunately, this is reality for thepalestinians.Their corrupt leadership has encouraged children to use violence to solve matters.

But why? Has diplomacy failed?

However, i do beleive that is is right to fight and die for your nation and people. With respect to terrorism, i think that its sad they beleive that in dying that way, they will be rewrded in the 'afterlife'.

But dying while trying to defend your people is another story.

I just hope this culture of hatred is controlled once Arafat is gone.

Israeli newspeak? A marketing campaign for the IDF? shit i'd join the army to defend myself from these children of the damned, we can't rest until they're all dead. it's only a matter of time before they kill my family.

Wow, that is seriously fucked up. 72-80%? I hope that's not accurate. This thoroughly disgusted me.

Aside from the encouragement of blowing themselves up in the mosque, I see nothing wrong with the video clip Izzy posted except for the way it was narrated. Being a shaheed means that you have fought for your land and country and that you were a patriot. Quite simple really. American patriots who fought the British were shaheeds. And they saw themselves as such. This is natural. Again, zionists like to deny human nature; the desire to fight and die for your land. Like Arafat said, it is beautiful to see a child defending his country against a military tank coming to destroy his home. Courage, love, and honour. I'm against the killing of civilians and suicide bombings. But I'm not against being a shaheed while fighting the military machine. I know that if I saw that music video of the child telling his parents that he will become a shaheed, I would cry. I sometimes have the desire to become a shaheed myself. But I believe I'm fortunate enough to fight through education and the political process.

Long live the Shaheeds, and Long Live Arafat

Long Live the military Machine! Long Live Sharon!

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Originally posted by Palestinian Aside from the encouragement of blowing themselves up in the mosque, I see nothing wrong with the video clip Izzy posted except for the way it was narrated. Being a shaheed means that you have fought for your land and country and that you were a patriot. Quite simple really. American patriots who fought the British were shaheeds. And they saw themselves as such. This is natural. Again, zionists like to deny human nature; the desire to fight and die for your land. Like Arafat said, it is beautiful to see a child defending his country against a military tank coming to destroy his home. Courage, love, and honour. I'm against the killing of civilians and suicide bombings. But I'm not against being a shaheed while fighting the military machine. I know that if I saw that music video of the child telling his parents that he will become a shaheed, I would cry. I sometimes have the desire to become a shaheed myself. But I believe I'm fortunate enough to fight through education and the political process.

i will agree with no shame that the narration is bias, i'm sorry this is all i can bring. but i will not agree to the fact that being a shaheed as a child is ok, it is the most barbaric thing to come out of a civilization. children all over the world should be sheilded by any conflict. they should not be encouraged to raise their arms in an offensive, they should not be directed by a jihad activist to strike among the jews in netanya and tel-aviv. thier parents should not be told it is ok for their children to fight in a 'war'. children should be taught to achieve peace (as i was in highschool in israel).

plus are you not going to object to the fact that the palestnian television ran praise (multiple time) of that female terrorist who blew her self up in a restraunt? how barbaric can you be to 'celebrate' such an act?

how can there be respectable peace between the two sides if one of them is being indoctrinated into this hate as soon as they are born? i'm sorry guys it just saddens me to see these kinds of videos because i still yearn strong for peace to be worked out i belive it is possible, but obsticales such as these make it hard.

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Long live the Shaheeds, and Long Live Arafat

i suggest you watch 60 minutes on sunday and see what a worthless corrupt offical arafat is and how much he cares about his people. so much so that he diverted 1 billion dollars from aid that would have gone to the palestinian people into his own pockets.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998...main13502.shtml

Meine Ehre heisst Treue!

No they should not be taught to kill innocents. It's not surprising though considering the situation. But I disagree that it's barbaric that a child be a shaheed. Children are most affected by the occupation army. Everything has a reason and every hate has reason You can not hate anyone without a reason. There is no need for parents to teach their children to hate Israelis. Simply seeing how their parents suffer makes children hate them. The military occupation creates the hate in a child's heart upon seeing the suffering of his family and friends. Videos aired on Palestine TV are expressing the desire of the people to fight for their land. Children who see their friends killed are affected by it. The videos on tv talk about the reality of life for people in Palestine. Of course, I don't agree with suicide bombing again and any display of encouraging it. This "indoctrinated to hate as soon as they are born" phrase is false and narrow. The indoctrination to hate was instilled in the child as he grew up seeing his family suffer. Growing up in an occupied country will make you hate the occupier.

I know the PA is corrupt, but I still support it. I think you really really need to understand that Arafat is the only man who wants a two state solution. He's the one that convinced so many Palestinians to accept the idea of a two state solution. Whether he's corrupt or not.

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Originally posted by tathi Meine Ehre heisst Treue!

Geschmacklos.

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Originally posted by Palestinian Aside from the encouragement of blowing themselves up in the mosque, I see nothing wrong with the video clip Izzy posted except for the way it was narrated.

Listen to yourself!!
how can you minimize that much the fact that kids are encouredged by Religiues leaders to blow themselves in Tel-Aviv, and Natanya?
That that little girl said she prefferes "Shahada" more than full rights to palestinians, only because she wants to go to HEAVEN?

Its not a secret that the palestinians are very religiues. those kids realy believe in waht they hear in a mousqe or on tv or from Arafat himself.

i dont understand how you take this horrible fact and put it aside.

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Like Arafat said, it is beautiful to see a child defending his country against a military tank

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Videos aired on Palestine TV are expressing the desire of the people to fight for their land.

Again, Listen to yourself!!
Palestinian authority is not a democracy, its TV channel is fully controled by The PLO!. and what is being shown on the telivision is not the "desire of people to fight for their land" ! but it's a way in which the goverment is brainwashing its people. all those music clips, and those statements of arafat and religius leaders is simply horrible.

What so beautiful in a child that runs to tank with a stone in his hand??? what normal society will alow this?! only proves again, that you cant compare the Israeli and the Palestinian sides of the conflict.

every bode should watch that clip!!

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Originally posted by Flotser What so beautiful in a child that runs to tank with a stone in his hand??? what normal society will alow this?! only proves again, that you cant compare the Israeli and the Palestinian sides of the conflict. every bode should watch that clip!!

whats so beautiful about a tank shooting at children???ya I guess the children are a big threat to the Isreali military,so lets kill them all.

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Originally posted by Flotser Listen to yourself!! how can you minimize that much the fact that kids are encouredged by Religiues leaders to blow themselves in Tel-Aviv, and Natanya? That that little girl said she prefferes "Shahada" more than full rights to palestinians, only because she wants to go to HEAVEN? Its not a secret that the palestinians are very religiues. those kids realy believe in waht they hear in a mousqe or on tv or from Arafat himself. i dont understand how you take this horrible fact and put it aside. Again, Listen to yourself!! Palestinian authority is not a democracy, its TV channel is fully controled by The PLO!. and what is being shown on the telivision is not the "desire of people to fight for their land" ! but it's a way in which the goverment is brainwashing its people. all those music clips, and those statements of arafat and religius leaders is simply horrible. What so beautiful in a child that runs to tank with a stone in his hand??? what normal society will alow this?! only proves again, that you cant compare the Israeli and the Palestinian sides of the conflict. every bode should watch that clip!!

I fully read what Palestinian wrote and I support him in his views. I do beleive that the palestinians should be taught to defend their people.

But with terrorism.. no.

Like you enjoy defending your nation, whether it be taight to you or self taught through your experiences, palestinians have the right to want to defend temselves as they see tanks demolish theior neigborhoods and people getting shot for throwing rocks at tanks that shouldnt be there in the first place.

When the Nazi's were murdering the inncoent jews, was it "Barbaric" when they rose up and used anything possible to kill these filthy Nazi's in their disgusting exterminations? Though it happened in a few camps it still shows us how people should fight for their survival.

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Geschmacklos.

just trying to keep up with this:

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Long Live the military Machine! Long Live Sharon!

Dud keep up with sarcastic comments...

If you actually think I believe that, then you really are underestimating me considerably.

It is such an appalling statement to hear "Long live the Shaheeds, and Long Live Arafat"... hence I replied with something that would equally inferioate Palestinian in a hope he would see the baselessness of his statement. I used his own term, "miltary machine" to get at it.

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hardcore trancer: whats so beautiful about a tank shooting at children???

Nothing is beautiful about that, that is why you don't see Israel Television promote such events! This is the whole argument of the thread... who however do you see Palestinian Television promote children attacking a tank as beautiful?

You can't turn this argument around against Israel, Israel does not support or encourage violence against/by children, or self-sacrifise.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer whats so beautiful about a tank shooting at children???ya I guess the children are a big threat to the Isreali military,so lets kill them all.

WHO said its beautiful!?!?!? Israel is not sending the tanks to shoot on childern!
how can you be so blind?? arafat in this video SENDS kids to throw rocks at tanks. what for? for the world press to see. he said it himself!
c'mon!! i dont have to explain this, wacth the vidio again!!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I fully read what Palestinian wrote and I support him in his views. I do beleive that the palestinians should be taught to defend their people.

there is a difference between people who are organizing to defend themselves, and between people who send their childeren to this!!

secondly, if you wacthed that clip, you saw that those kids are not only taught to defend their people, but they are tought to become suiceders, they are maynly taught it will take them to heaven! watch the clip again! its not enough??

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When the Nazi's were murdering the inncoent jews, was it "Barbaric" when they rose up and used anything possible to kill these filthy Nazi's in their disgusting exterminations? Though it happened in a few camps it still shows us how people should fight for their survival.

this comparison is horrible.
Israel exterminates palestinians????

damn how can you even think of comparing the two.
realy man i know its just a web forum, but reading this makes me shiver.
bye!

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Originally posted by Flotser WHO said its beautiful!?!?!? Israel is not sending the tanks to shoot on childern! how can you be so blind?? arafat in this video SENDS kids to throw rocks at tanks. what for? for the world press to see. he said it himself! c'mon!! i dont have to explain this, wacth the vidio again!! there is a difference between people who are organizing to defend themselves, and between people who send their childeren to this!! secondly, if you wacthed that clip, you saw that those kids are not only taught to defend their people, but they are tought to become suiceders, they are maynly taught it will take them to heaven! watch the clip again! its not enough?? this comparison is horrible. Israel exterminates palestinians???? damn how can you even think of comparing the two. realy man i know its just a web forum, but reading this makes me shiver. bye!

You can choose to ignore this example, but it serves to help me understand this. People were occupied and walled in ghettoes and then murdered for whatever reasons. Iether way, their livlihood was questioned. Some of them faught back with anyting they had, against people who had everything.

Take a look at the natives who faught back and killed children woman and men when the colonialism happened. They were fighting for their land and people....although it is ugle, these things come naturally when people are about to be whoped out or treated like pieces of shits.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Long Live the military Machine! Long Live Sharon!

at least someone got it

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Originally posted by Flotser WHO said its beautiful!?!?!? Israel is not sending the tanks to shoot on childern! how can you be so blind?? arafat in this video SENDS kids to throw rocks at tanks. what for? for the world press to see. he said it himself! c'mon!! i dont have to explain this, wacth the vidio again!!

Intresting how u are denying thats Isreal doesnt target children,this is the latest one : here
How are gonna explain this one??it was an accident?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Intresting how u are denying thats Isreal doesnt target children,this is the latest one : here How are gonna explain this one??it was an accident?

OMFG this is all mest up...
look. This is plain simple.
Israel Targets whoever tries to attack. And yeah, sometimes these were cildren sent with bombs to blow themeselves up. it happened b4 lots of times. I'm not saing this one did, but when you sit near the border and some kid come closer to the tank and "watches birds" i believe you would be suspicious as well.
so yeah, maybe it was an accedent.


hardcore trancer, we both never wanted this kid to die. i dont even want my tanks in there. but i cant emagine what will happend if we'll move back. and we both know that if israel will move all it's security systems around the borders then it's a matter of hours before hundreds of these "shahids" will go blow themeselves in restaurants, shopping malls, and bus stations.
AND THIS VIDEO IS A GREAT REMINDER FOR THAT!

terrorist until proven civilian

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Originally posted by deluxe OMFG this is all mest up... look. This is plain simple. Israel Targets whoever tries to attack. And yeah, sometimes these were cildren sent with bombs to blow themeselves up.

I hope u are kidding here,children with bombs??gimme a break!!

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it happened b4 lots of times. I'm not saing this one did, but when you sit near the border and some kid come closer to the tank and "watches birds" i believe you would be suspicious as well. so yeah, maybe it was an accedent.

so lets shoot any child that is playing around the tanks,ya good one.
even if this has happend before,doesnt mean u can go shoot children,just to be safewhat??

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and we both know that if israel will move all it's security systems around the borders then it's a matter of hours before hundreds of these "shahids" will go blow themeselves in restaurants, shopping malls, and bus stations.

ok lets not compare a terrorist to a shahid ok??Shahid is someone whos has died in a war where he/she was defending his/her country.
A terrorist will kill anyone,civillian or non civillian dont matter.

so please dont think that shahid means terrorist.They are totaly different.

I really can't understand the stance of some people here that support arming children. I could accept it if it was a situation where israelis were conducting some sort of massive genocide over palestinians, but since that is simply not the case, I can't see how that is justifiable.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I hope u are kidding here,children with bombs??gimme a break!!

and i remember seeing a pic of a child throwing a molotov cocktail, but i cant find....


anyways i'm not saying there arent things that israel could do to improve the situation, but there's no doubt that the palestinians need to get arms and weapons out of the hands of children and stop promoting them to go out and fight... unless this is a palestinian ploy to show how the IDF are evil child killers

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