How to create a massive PvD-like flange?

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Posted by TranceInMySoul on Nov-08-2003 14:24:

How to create a massive PvD-like flange?

What software effect is capable of a massive PvD-esque flange? I've tried a couple and have two problems:
1) Weedy sound - the flange / phasing is far too gentle ;-)
2) Making the flange peak at the right point in the track (is this just because the flange is free running?)

Any advice? Thanks!

Posted by Martin McG on Nov-08-2003 14:48:

maybe try using a phasor or filter

not entirely sure of what your meaning

Posted by KilldaDJ on Nov-08-2003 15:02:

its all abt the depth and rate of the flanger, make it a subtile one, so it doesnt drive into the track.

im not entirely sure how flangers work anyway, as i dont use them

but its something to do with pitch modulation n shit like that

Posted by J.L. on Nov-08-2003 16:52:

to clarify it more:

1. depth (play around with the max and min)
2. frequency

an alternative method is to boost a certain frequency using band EQ with low width and by changing the frequency of it while the track plays which gives it a flange-like effect

Posted by TranceInMySoul on Nov-08-2003 18:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Martin McG
not entirely sure of what your meaning

OK, two audio examples for ya, both PvD:
Travelling (380kb)
Tell Me Why (356kb)

Posted by Sean Walsh on Nov-09-2003 07:48:

Those sound like your simple flanges, the first one has a really slow rate for the first bit but when it starts to go up the rate is changed.

They sounded like the preset flange effect built in to a DJM-500 mixer to me. Cool Edit can do those easily.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-09-2003 10:01:

quote:
Originally posted by dj-sean
They sounded like the preset flange effect built in to a DJM-500 mixer to me.

PvD using presets? No way!

Posted by arctic on Nov-09-2003 10:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
PvD using presets? No way!

Hi, everybody!

Posted by TranceInMySoul on Nov-09-2003 13:07:

Thanks for the help so far, anyone got any suggestions on what VST effect I should try? I'd much prefer using an insert rather than having to process the track in an external wave editor...

Posted by noikeee on Nov-09-2003 15:32:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceInMySoul
Thanks for the help so far, anyone got any suggestions on what VST effect I should try? I'd much prefer using an insert rather than having to process the track in an external wave editor...

maybe Fruity's own Flanger and Phaser.. dunno if it's good though. Some Buzz machines have several flangers/phasers that can help as well.

Posted by JeZzA on Nov-10-2003 03:52:

Flanger is the effect created by playing two copies of the track/sample with a delay between them that is constantly changing.

So if worst comes to worst, you could probably do it manually somehow

Posted by DJ Tequila on Nov-10-2003 14:22:

The Waves Meta-Flanger is up to the job - and lovely. It's DX though, so you can't synch it as far as I know.

Hope it helps!

T*

Posted by flutlicht junky on Nov-12-2003 22:56:

quote:
Originally posted by JeZzA
Flanger is the effect created by playing two copies of the track/sample with a delay between them that is constantly changing.

So if worst comes to worst, you could probably do it manually somehow

Yep - flanging is a delay based effect. 2 signals are made from one - one dry another effect'd. The processed sound is delayed by amilli seconds and modulated to get a sweeping effect.

Phasing is very similar but there isnt a delay in the sound. So the moduating processed signal when mixed with the straight signal cuts out notches in the sound.

I think LOL!!!

TRANCEINMYSOUL

Id say use kontakt and use midi cc to control the phaser / flange. There is actually a phaser emulating filter on it for simpler control. This means you can speed up the rate in a precise manner. therefore timing it with your track!!!

Posted by DJ Tequila on Nov-13-2003 09:32:

Whenever I've tried to create flanging manually I've hit a problem with the timing. Most delays work in steps of milliseconds, which is too coarse for flanging work.

Best to use a dedicated flanger - unless you really want to build one in Reactor or something. And for that big sound flange the master out, rather than one track...

T*