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useing FL studio 4- making trance

Hiya everyone,

i would just like to know how to make good sounding trance out of fl stuido 4 because i seem to be able to make good beats but have trouble in making any sort of maledy at all.

what advice could you possibly give me???

cheers

wrong forum....

Anyhow, learn music theory first. Take some courses at your school/university.

i know how it works ive been doing it for 4years now i just need to know how to produce melodys on FL4.

Oh...right click on the channel, piano roll.

i'm sorry... but that's a very poor question to ask...
try to be more specific... there is no one answer ppl can provide you when you ask something as vague as "how do i make good trance on flstudio4"

ok fair coment mate,

what i mean is i have a good knolage of how trance music works as have been DJ'in for 4 years, and thought id give making it ago i can make good beats but its very lacking coz i have no idea on how 2 make up the melody or electric sound that makes it all trance.

would just like to know how 2 do it and tips on doing it well.

cheers lads

What I would do if I were you is this.

Open the projects folder and check out some of the demos to see how they have been made. You will be able to see the effects the producers have put on the sounds as well as how the melodies are made. You can save the instrument states and import into your songs so you can have the same sounds. Or use their sounds as a base to give you that trancy sound and then work from that.

'Toby-Striker' is a good example. While it's not an amazing trance track in it's own right it can give you an idea of what's going on. It would also say that it's a bit hard not knowing how much musical experience you have, but I would definately recomend that you learn an instrument of some sort even if it's just to get the basics. This will also help your DJing further down the line too.

People also make the mistake of thinking that good trance is just about the melody. There is a whole lot more besides and very often it's your attention to detail that will make you stand out as a producer. Bass lines, layered sounds and percussion as well as melody.

Listen to your records to see what the pros do. You will notice that most of them are very progressive in the beggining i.e. they will add something new every other phrase (Sometimes more or less). This can be in the form of new instruments kicking in or a new hi hat sound. Once you start getting a good base for the track you may well hear a melody that goes with it.

Sometimes I write melodies first but if I do it that way it turns out nothing like I intended it (not a bad thing) as I add stuff.

Hard question to answer but I hope this helps.

Cheers
Nem

I personally think that was a good answer, another suggestion is to try to cover a song you like and making it in FL.
I get my melodies out first by getting the right synth or sample, after you find a good one then I experiment (helps allot if you have a midi keyboard) and from that I get a small melody out (and yes it does help if you know a little about a musical instrument, but mostly for me its experimenting until I get a chatchy melody) and the details are very important too sometimes even more than the melody because you can make a catchy melody but if the details don't add up the catch goes away when you hear the complete track same goes viceversa good details, not that good melody....

ok i took your advice and today ive been messing around with it for a few hours. its really hard aint it. just to make it sound anything like good. have you all downloaded new sounds to use coz all the ones on FL are abit shite to be honest.

what kind of tunes have you made with it ao i can have a listen.

cheers for the help

I studied piano, singing and music theory and composition for years growing up. I was all gung-ho to try my hand at making trance. I finally got a copy of FL3.5 back in May, and I still haven't been able to make a track that I'm really happy with yet!! It takes a long time to learn how to best use the software, to develop an ear that lets you identify what's missing in your track, and the experience to decide the best way to go about adding/changing your mix. This site has helped me already (I just discovered it two days ago) I just went back and remixed a song I thought I had done well, and found a whole bunch of new things that I could make better. Things I didn't even know to look for before. And I'm realizing more and more that there's still alot further I can go.

Keep in mind that it's not just the melody itself that defines the mood of the tune, but the way a melody interacts with the bass and the other sounds. Harmony is very important. It might help while you're trying to get the melody to sound right to mute all the drums and effects, and just listen to the bass, harmony (pads, etc) and melody and how they interact. If you can find a good balance there without drums and effects, when you put them back in, it'll be all the better.

My advice is to just keep plugging away at it. Bit by bit you'll develop a feel for how to make the software do what you hear in your head. Obviously since you've been DJing for a while you know what you want to hear next, so just have patience.

Oh yeah, check out my website below. All the songs on it were made with FL3.5, and only using sounds that came with it. Now I will say that the mastering SUCKS!!! I had no idea about the technical side of things when I made those tracks, but have a listen anyways!

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Originally posted by matty_dyson ok i took your advice and today ive been messing around with it for a few hours. its really hard aint it. just to make it sound anything like good. have you all downloaded new sounds to use coz all the ones on FL are abit shite to be honest. what kind of tunes have you made with it ao i can have a listen. cheers for the help

yeah... the samples in fruity are shit.. so start look for new one's... check out the quality sample thread in the top and another tip is too take sounds out of other track's, like the kick, percussions and bass etc...
work's best in the intro / outro mostly.

and you need some VST pluggins.. there is some free one's at KVR-VST that actually is really good.. there is a thread about softsynth's too in the top.

and try to play around too... don't expect to make something really good in the beginning.. my track's sounded like shit.. dunno if it even was trance.. hehe

and check out the cover songs and such that is coming with the program.. can help you alot

forgive me for sounding stupid but what are VST's and VSTI's? and what do they do?

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Originally posted by matty_dyson forgive me for sounding stupid but what are VST's and VSTI's? and what do they do?

well , they are sound Generators..

like 3osc, ts404, wasp, simsynth.

but they are much better, and also requier more cpu usage(most of the times)

my advise is to stick with TA forum..use the Search button on this SECTION of the forum..

like, if you need to learn how a Compressor works, try search"Compressor"

if you seek FREE VST use search also, i saw some threads with free VST links.

Without VST's it is REALLY hard to make trance music of high quality.

Am playing with Fruity and Reason for about 6=8 months, and lately, i feel that i am improving, it takes time..

Boy does it ever. There's so much to learn when it comes to producing that there's no way you absorb all of the required information in a short period of time. As Massive84 said, read this forum extensively and exhaustively and it'll be a start. A lot of it is ear training and knowing what knobs to twist in order to get the kinda sounds you're thinking of.

it takes experience. keep producing and make different songs. youll see the porgress of your imporvement. i first got fruity loops back in 2001. with practice, i was finally able to "master" it. just keep doing your thing. i loooovvveee FL. all my tracks i make are from it. check out the site (there is a small loop) and see what FL can do.

ok how do you make atmoshere effects in fl4? like Terry bones Vs fred baker (john askew mix)off paul van dyke at Trance energy 2003.

and im still not 2 good at using the generators ie WASP, TS404 ect..... can anyone give my some go tips for using the piano roll coz its really hard.

what i meen is what effects on them are good for trancey sounds.

cheers guy's.

what atmosphere effect are you talking about in Introspection ?

In same time, you must use good reverbs (but don't put it on a lot)
and use some good plugs like Spectrasonics Atmosphere !

cya

Terry Bones

Question for Terry Bones.

What pluggins/hardware would you recommend?
Let's say I wanted to get something that would give me that 'trance sound'(For the want of a better expression) and was willing to spend a bit of money what would you suggest?

Thinking of the following:

Lead
Pads
Spheres

Thanks in advance
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Question for Terry Bones. What pluggins/hardware would you recommend? Let's say I wanted to get something that would give me that 'trance sound'(For the want of a better expression) and was willing to spend a bit of money what would you suggest? Thinking of the following: Lead Pads Spheres Thanks in advance Nem

Go out and invest your money in a virus, you will have all the sounds you want coming from there, for trance at least...

Forgive me for sounding a little naive, but can you plug this into the midi port on your soundcard and then have FL using it (Virus C) as a synth module so that it will play the keys that you have selected in FL on the Virus?

Dumb ass and new
Nem

Dumbass??? Indeed...

No, I'm not an expert either, I even haven't got a hardwaresynth. But I thought when you connect your virus to your soundcard via midi, you can control the patches/sounds that are coming from it with midi signals. But when you want to hear the actual sounds the virus is making, you have to connect the outs of the virus to the inputs of your soundcard. So the actual sound is coming in as audio into your soundcard.
When you connect the virus to your computer with midi cables only you only have a sort of midi controller, which will not work that well for the amount you paid for it.

Hopes this helps.

Yes, If you buy the Great Virus C, you can use it on FL Studio, but you can only pilot it thru midi, so you need a REAL mixer and plug the virus sound output on a mixer's channel, and on an other mixer's channel, your soundcard, and found the fine mix beetween both... and repeat this with the real hardware (and assign a midi channel for each REAL synth module)

For good vst, I recommand:

Spectrasonics Atmosphere (very great pads, strings, ...)
Linplug Albino (for Synths, basses, ...)
Pro 53 and FM7 (a little oldy but great potential)
Z3TA+ (for all kind of pads, shpere, synths, basses)

For Gatted Reverb, I use a lot TK Datoreverb

but the better tool is Imagination and there is not a plug with Imagination stuff yet

Cya and good work !

Terry Bones

Very interesting,

Thanks for that both of you, it's been most helpful. Now really I have to decide which to invest in. The mixer thing isn't a problem, been a DJ for a long time and have a Xone 464 with more channels than I can think of what to do with.
The thing that makes the Virus C more attractive is my CPU power not to mention some of the costs of the vst's. I suppose my next question would be which would be the most cost effective method of really brining my tracks to life? But then I guess that's a question of preference.

I actually have some things that I have genuinly been considering releasing as whitelabels to test the water but I feel that the FL sound alone can't meet the quality of sound on a release. Perhaps I am wrong about this but would like to know what you think.

Many thanks
Nem

Hello Nemesis44,

For the mixer, it's not the same that you plug your turntables that you need !!! it's not very well appropriated... but you can try to plug on it to see ....

For the mastering question, youmust use a plug like Izotope Ozone or T-Racks to reach a better quality (and with those plugs, you can put it directly on the master channel of FL Studio, if your CPU will support it )

Cya & good work ! we are waiting for your tracks !!!

Terry Bones

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Very interesting, Thanks for that both of you, it's been most helpful. Now really I have to decide which to invest in. The mixer thing isn't a problem, been a DJ for a long time and have a Xone 464 with more channels than I can think of what to do with. The thing that makes the Virus C more attractive is my CPU power not to mention some of the costs of the vst's. I suppose my next question would be which would be the most cost effective method of really brining my tracks to life? But then I guess that's a question of preference. I actually have some things that I have genuinly been considering releasing as whitelabels to test the water but I feel that the FL sound alone can't meet the quality of sound on a release. Perhaps I am wrong about this but would like to know what you think. Many thanks Nem

You can definitely have great quality tracks using only Fruity Studio. I've been producing for some time now with the (great!) program and I have tested some of my tracks in the clubs. The quality was superb!
It's all about knowing what you are doing and using the right compressor/eqing/mastering tools whenever they are appropiate.

But if you start producing, my advice is to first start with a basic program, like Fruity Studio or Reason, just to get the hang of sound programming. When you get better and you really know for sure you want to go on with it, you can consider buying additional stuff, like hardware synths/effects or a mixer.
But don't start spending lots of money on it, only to find out that you don't know how to use all this advanced start!

that's just my humble opinion...

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