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New direction of trance?
Hi,
you know how people always wonder where the music is going and what the future will bring. For example, you see a specific trend in rock where this genre went through so many different phases and right now is moving in the direction of raw and aggresive sounds.
Rap or hip-hop on the other hand have started borrowing the rhythms from the latin music and are moving toward using ethnic sounds with reggae type of feel to it.
The only thing where the future is clouded for me is trance. (if trance survives as a genre at all...)
What's your opinion?
trance will be more complex.. listen to trance tunes from 1995 they are really simple.. and if you listen some professional tracks they are so complex (a lot of fx-samples, many background melodies, ....) i think that's the future..
Think Hans Zimmer meets Ferry Corsten meets BT. This is the future of Trance--IMHO. It will be called, not epic, nor melodic nor uplifting, but Cinematic Trance.
Cinematic trance is the future.
Possibly, but there will always be a dancefloor equivalent that will be around too. You hear a lot of tracks these days that borrow a lot from techno, like Igor S - Boomerang and Ricky Fobis - No Regular. I think you can expect to see a lot more tracks like this in the future; ones designed solely with a dancefloor and packed club in mind.
I think trance will go in many directions, cinematic being one of them. And by saying cinematic that isn't implying it will be in movies, it's just an evocative word that means something different than epic. Epic could still be played in a club, cinematic, probably not. Too many breakdowns.
It's like thecYrus said, trance is becoming more complex. Listen to hits like "Sash - Encore une Fois" and "Energy 52 - Cafe del Mar". Both of these songs are great favorites of mine, and were very complex compared to other trance from that time (around '97). Today trance is more athmospheric and there is more fill. The beats are getting tighter and better every year.
Also what has changed maybe the most are the bass sounds. It was very uncommon to hear bass patterns other than the regular "kick-Bass+hihat-Kick-Bass+hihat" loops back in '97. Bass sounds are becoming of much grater importance, and they will continue to grow and expand in the next few years.
In maybe 5-6 years I see trance becoming like soundscapes with hard drum loops and extremely complex melodies with an infinite number of FX's and sweeps.
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| Originally posted by thecYrus trance will be more complex.. |
Prio Alea is the future!! 
j/k
I think there will be a lot of different styles like today, but not that obvious melodic...radio trance will always be melodic tho... really, it's impossible to say..
my theory is that trance will inevitably evolve and not be called "trance" anymore... for example, trance came from techno.... hip hop came from breakbeats...
I think this is an interesting question, but I do think trance will change to be either more complex or minimalistic... Either way, it won't stay the same
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| Originally posted by kewlness my theory is that trance will inevitably evolve and not be called "trance" anymore... for example, trance came from techno.... hip hop came from breakbeats... |
A lot of people have made points that I agree with. (A division in directions between minimal and complex, trends repeating in a circular fashion, etc.)
One thing I think is important to acknowledge, and in all probability unfortunate: the fact of the matter is that the club scene in general is becoming bigger and bigger business. With more and more people going to clubs, buying CD's and records, more and more DJ's and producers emerging, I forsee much more commercialization of the genre.
Look at how far into the mainstream trance has already come. Where I live in Japan, there is often trance as the background music to commercials, and even news clips. The club Velfarre in Tokyo hosts their weekly saturday 'Cyber Trance' event, that has spawned a whole record line, a magazine including fashion, and even high-tech battery operated strobing 'Cyber sticks' to replace glow-sticks!! Now Japan is all about slick marketing, and the Japanese love to buy the newest, hottest what-ever-it-is, whereas in North America, we're more inclined to sit back, and wait to see if the new stuff catches on before we pick one up. (Just look at Mini Discs. People have been using them like crazy in Japan for years, but only a handful of my friends in Toronto even own one.)
I think that in a few years, trance may find itself in a similar state to hip-hop right now: the most talented creative artists are rarely able to get widespread recognition, while the most formulaic, marketable artists get played and played and played. This is a sad state of affairs, and we have to maintain our creative vigilance, as DJ's, producers, and especially as consumers. Let's be careful what kind of message we send to the labels... we don't want to encourage the proliferation of mediocrity.
No Trancey Spears, or Back Trance Boys!!!
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| No Trancey Spears, or Back Trance Boys!!! |
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| Originally posted by thecYrus trance will be more complex.. listen to trance tunes from 1995 they are really simple.. and if you listen some professional tracks they are so complex (a lot of fx-samples, many background melodies, ....) i think that's the future.. |
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| Originally posted by kewlness my theory is that trance will inevitably evolve and not be called "trance" anymore... for example, trance came from techno.... hip hop came from breakbeats... |
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| Originally posted by DjRV errrrrrr..... Hip Hop is formed outta Rythem & Blues, that slaves used to use for entertainment and expression. |
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| Originally posted by Low Profile It's like thecYrus said, trance is becoming more complex. Listen to hits like "Sash - Encore une Fois" and "Energy 52 - Cafe del Mar". Both of these songs are great favorites of mine, and were very complex compared to other trance from that time (around '97). Today trance is more athmospheric and there is more fill. The beats are getting tighter and better every year. Also what has changed maybe the most are the bass sounds. It was very uncommon to hear bass patterns other than the regular "kick-Bass+hihat-Kick-Bass+hihat" loops back in '97. Bass sounds are becoming of much grater importance, and they will continue to grow and expand in the next few years. In maybe 5-6 years I see trance becoming like soundscapes with hard drum loops and extremely complex melodies with an infinite number of FX's and sweeps. |
But isn't the increased complexity of trance and electronic music in general IMO, caused by the new possibilities of technology?
I know for sure that due to new synthesizers, drum computers, computers a lot of new sounds have emerged, which made electronic music creation possibilities much larger and wider. I think that's the main reason why the sound 'sounds' more complex nowadays.
I think the future of trance will be that of tech-trance. Trancey melodies, but with definite techno-influences. The tracks Tiesto is playing, like Mark Norman, his own new tracks are perfect examples of this style.
I don't think the uplifting 'standard' trance will be here much longer. Some songs just sound exactly the same and deliver no new creativity. This genre has to die sometime, unfortunately, but let's not forget the incredible music it delivered!
Heh!!
This very topic's been on my mind a lot lately. In fact, I find it really hard to start a track these days, because the sounds I'm surrounded by (and have at my immediate disposal right now) are getting old fast.
As for sounds becoming more complex; electronic music in the late '90s used to be VERY detailed and textured; lots of bell-like sounds, organ-y sounds, string pads way in the back, serious filter action, weird little fake horns, synthy spanish guitars, pianos, fuzzy stuff, etc. Very colorful chords, sophisticated lines.
IMO the variety disappeared when everyone went for the jugular and competed for the biggeset and fattest this and that.
Big supersaws (note: always SAWS, not squares, not combination waveforms, but saws), big galloping basses, chirpy 909 hihats, simple Barney-esque melodies or chopped-up Beethoven or Vivaldi. A lot of what's been called trance the past couple of years seems more like Eurodance gone all heavy-handed and serious. And everyone seemed to do it the same way.
It was great for quite a while, but then there was more. And then there was more. And then there was more!! Same with other genres too, unfortunately.
So for the time being, I'm thinking about the aesthetic of trance at its roots; things like THIS, and THIS, and THIS, and even though it's not trance, THIS.
I'd hate to shop yet another typical melodic supersaw thumper. Bonzai might eat it up in a second if it's good enough, but I'm just helping to run the genre into the ground.
Fuck knows but heres what i think.
Trance up until last year was definatley driven by new technology, new synths with more ability to create thicker and fatter lead sounds, deeper basses, cheating your ears with clever compression and distortion techniques which resulted in bass lines which boomed and leads which filled the frequency range like no other. This was a general trend from 96 onwards that the general sound of trance became thicker and more 'complex' in that it had more elements to it, sub-melodys etc. This style of thick trance i think was brought to a head with flutlicht and shokk. I'm still amazed by there productions with just how fat the sounds are yet they somehow fit over the top of each other. To be honest though i dont think its possible to get any thicker with out sounding muddled and so trance has a new problem, where to now. The answer is to draw elements from other genres, theres no place else to go and its becoming the trend of a lot of other genres to, in the uk anyway. There are a lot of house tracks now with rock guitars in and electro elements which have been doing well. Acid house is back, it would seem the trend for a lot of dance music is retro, going back to its roots. Trance has always drawn a lot from classical music and there are new tracks now drawing elements from all over the place. Ferry Corstens new album he himself says is electro-trance having heavy electro influences. Gabriel and dresden taking elements from guitars etc. Technology has not reached a peak but is defintley leveled off, theres no more power needed with the computers of today and so this hunger for more power can no longer drive the genre as it has been in the past. The future is fusion, take elements from wherever you can in an effort to sound original. Trance will not disapear though, or change its name, thats ridiculous. There will always be PVD playing standard gorgeous uplifting trance. Also with the amount of sub-genres there already are i dont think there will be to many more. Just descriptive words used to describe a tune, electro elements, cinematic or whatever. Becuase there are far to many sub-genres and the way its going now its all just gonna collapse and people will just resort to describing a sound. I hope this will result in a move towards less genres, with people being more open minded. Just as House spawned acid-house and trance etc. It will go backwards towards House removing these sub-genres. I myself goto all sorts of different nights now whereas i used to just go to trance ones. You hear some good stuff, trancey elements in house clubs along with techno and electro ones. Fusion, thats where its all going, not just trance.
Not even sure whether that made sense. Tell me what you think.
Heheh well said Taz. Back in my earlier production days I used to strive for the perfect "trance lead" sound, or rather your typical washed up Supersaw type lead. These days I'm really trying my best to avoid that, or at the very least layer it with a whole lot of other things.
Production is becoming more and more computer based. The need for DSP cards is almost eliminated now with the power available from consumer computers. 8 years ago, no-on would have understood how you could use a computer to get the results today, that through effects you could make a track that much louder and cleaner.
Its impossible to say that within the next few years, we will or will not be able to make stuff more complex and full than it is today without it all going to mud.
I would like to see techno fused into trance. It was always where I thought the scene would go, or at least its where I wanted it to go.
While trance is getting more complex, I noticed after the end of last year when I stopped buying records that Hard Trance had taken the other directions. Half the songs were a Scot Project samples kick and bassline, some acid stabs and a gay ass mother saying some stupid words. the melodies were disappearing and the genre was going down the shitter.
Maybe rather than thinking in the boundaries of trance, we should be thinking inside the boundaries of music as an evolving genre. just like fashion, it evolves with the times, it goes back and forward, but always develops new styles/sounds.
Before the next reply to this thread you must answer this:
Why is it that
Mariachi music never changes or evolves no matter how many years go by,
Salsa never changes one bit,
and so on,
and yet here we are saying "trance must change?"
Why should it, when most types of specifically-defined genres stay so stubbornly true to form?
(I've got theories but I'll let someone else go first.)
retro-tech-funk-discoladic 
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| Originally posted by Taz Before the next reply to this thread you must answer this: Why is it that Mariachi music never changes or evolves no matter how many years go by, Salsa never changes one bit, and so on, and yet here we are saying "trance must change?" Why should it, when most types of specifically-defined genres stay so stubbornly true to form? (I've got theories but I'll let someone else go first.) |
You can see how trance has hit a complexity peak in that when you play a newer tune, look at the graphic equaliser. As a newer trance tune peaks you will see how the full frequency range is full, if you listened to an older track you wouldnt see this. Obviously you can have a more complex tune by adding more sounds but this i dont think is enough to drive the genre, it becomes over complex and un-desired.
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