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Final Scratch, the future???

Is Final Scratch the future in the djing world?
yes - no
why?



Now in final scratch you can connect only 2 TT and some ppl say that with 3 or 4 decks connected in final scratch the vinyls don't have future.

not THE future I think. A part of the future. It will become a medium next to CD players like the CDJ1000. I think vinyl will become a smaller part of the future. And probably, in another 30 years, vinyl will almost be disapeared, replaced by digital mediums.

(just my 2 cents)

No, it
s not the future, but like Tiger said, it'll be part of it. CD decks are already established as a second to vinyl recomendded medium, and eventually digital media will be a major part of DJing.
Oh, and as long as ther are turntables around, vinyl will NEVER dissapear.

PvD uses it at his gigs

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Originally posted by dJohn Oh, and as long as ther are turntables around, vinyl will NEVER dissapear.

It won't disapear in this generation of DJ's, but in the next one, vinyl will be ranked under CD's.

I like your sig

I think the main reason to keep vinyl is the physical band with the music, you don't have that with any digital media. That's also the reason why I've chosen to buy turntables in stead of CDJ's. The sound quality doesn't matter THAT much. I mean, I'm just a humble bedroom dj

Hmmmm... Final Scratch?

More like Final Scratch my arse!

He he... no seriously now I will agree that FS will be a part of the future without a doubt. While the likes of Tiesto and PVD push new technologies I don't think that either CD or FS will take over from vinyl. Vinyl was pronounced dead in the late 80's when CDs where introduced but the only real victim of that was the audio cassette.
There is something very real and tactile about vinyl, the way the grooves feel at your finger tips... The CDJs that I know have become that through lack of choice and not because of a desire to play CDs.

If PVD didn't use FS then I think it may well have been dismissed as something of a gimmick (Not saying that it is). On a side note and the risk of getting flamed to death I actually think that PVD is quite bland anyways both in terms of production and set choices. Nem reaches for the asbestos armour.

Vinyl isn't always the most practical medium it has to be said but there is a magic in carting your records about. I now have a record box with wheels! Makes my life so much easier.

Cheers
Nem

Edit - Playing out with FS seems to be a slight nuicance as clubs don't have it as standard so you have to make sure you get there in time to set it all up. I suppose it's just a few extra things to think about.

Interesting.

Last big name DJ I saw was Judge Jules (last weekend in Brighton England to be precise), and I know a lot of people have very mixed feelings about him but he was actually really damn good. Was supposed to warm up for Fergie a while back but ended up going abroad that weekend. Also played the final set after Joy Kitikonti a while back, which by all accounts actually was pretty cool. Sadly he had almost emptied the place before hand, through no fault of his own I must add. I think it was just the wrong crowd. He plays more funky and minimalistic techno and this was a pure trance crowd.
Actually, those lines make it seem like I'm a bigger DJ than I am but I guess I have just been lucky with some of my venues.

I see your point though. When I saw PVD he was dull but it's always good when you hear that 6k people have had a good time. Besides, he seems to be really big on your side of the pond at the moment. I hope to get the chance to play there someday

Cheers
Nem

i dont think FS will be the future, but definitely part of it (as previously mentioned X 10) i thing an issue is the cost, because it is a bit more expensive than turntables for clubs. pioneer gave away CDJs for free (or so im told) as a promotion, but theres no way stanton can afford that.. the only real promotion FS will get is by the djs who go out and buy a laptop and FS. this is why FS will probably never take over in the next couple generations.. and who knows what will happen next. first vinyl, then cdj, now digital vinyl.. the possibilities for djing are endless so there will never be a final step... just fitting new technologies into old ones

its not the future, but may be a great deal of it. Looking at the technics cd players makes me think the future is here

FS may be part of the future, but not for me ... I use computers all day at work. DJing lets me get away from that (altho I do use my computer to record stuff).

Also I'm starting to get quite a collection of vinyl and I can't be bothered to record all of it.

Right now DJing is a hobby for me and a big part of it is collecting vinyl, the stuff I listen to is most easily avalible on vinyl, excluding mp3s which arn't as fun to collect (hording physical things is much more rewarding ).

Of course if/when vinyl stops being produced I'll have to find another format.

I am begining to accept final scratch

as I dont have as much money as i used to to purchase records

I am looking at getting it in the future

I'd prefer it over a cd deck(i already have one) because it has the vinyl feel

what the heck is final scratch ?

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Originally posted by BelgianGuru what the heck is final scratch ?

interface between your computer and turntables

it allows you to play computer audio files by using a specially encoded vinyl

finalscratch.com has more info

I see the future possibly being audio on DVDs or something similar that has a large capacity. If you only put a song or two on a DVD then you'd have much better sound quality (for those who are familiar with the lingo, this is because DVDs can fit more bits of information on them leading to lower quantization errors) and I'm sure that it would be nearly impossible to distinguish between the two (even on large systems).

The big advantage of vinyls is that the sound is not digital so there is no loss in sound quality when you press a vinyl. The disadvantage is that it wears out the more you play them.

A few months back in the DJ booth I saw some turntables that used lasers to read vinyls. This would eliminate needles and needle wear, allowing you to play vinyls as much as you want without wearing them out. The downside at the moment is they don't have pitch adjustment as far as I know, they are just for listening at the standard 33 or 45 rpm. Another downside is that they cost about $20000 a piece if I remember correctly. If the costs come down and they start making them where you can very the speed of the platter then I see this as a major contender for the future of DJing. If this were to materialize, for safety reasons the turntable would have to be built like a CDJ where the record is inside and some sort of artificial platter would be on the outside to control the vinyl (like a CDJ or the new Technics CD player).

I believe that it was Agent Smith who posted the link on these turntables a couple of months back.

address for laser turntables:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=123352


Cheers.

PS: Some of the sentences are quite long and ugly. I'm sorry, I just wanted to get my thoughts down. =)

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...678#post2034678

theres a link to a thread w/pics of my setup using finalscratch. i no longer use vinyl. i have approx 3000 songs on an 80 gb hd on the pc in the picture.

Isn't the laser just changing the sound into digital anyway, thereby making vinyl one big cd ?

Come on guys! MP3s and similar formats are beginning to being available more and more. Record labels are beginning to sign contracts with online stores that sell encoded music files. Whether you like it or not, DJs around the world are beginning to download songs and play them at clubs.
Sound quality is an issue, but I think price and comfort of digital music will win over. That's the future of DJing! Now whether it will be Final Scratch or CDJs, we will have to see. Right now Final Scratch is deffinatly the most practical digital mixing device available. Software that lets you catalog thousands of songs by any kind of category is way better then carrying a bunch of CDs with song names written on them in my opinion. That's why I got FS myself...

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Originally posted by `pr0digy Isn't the laser just changing the sound into digital anyway, thereby making vinyl one big cd ?

No, its still analog, it states that in the article..

es

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Originally posted by abnorm Sound quality is an issue, but I think price and comfort of digital music will win over.

For the people who can tell the difference, it won't matter if it costs more. Final scratch is a great idea but it will never be the same as vinyl. As technology improves, digital will get better and better but it will never be as good sound quality wise. Will it ever be good enough that absoutely nobody can tell the difference? That remains to be seen. For me personally, in time if the price of vinyl and turntables doesn't increase and remains available to purchase then I am not worried about vinyl costing more. It may hit the wallet harder but I would never want to make the sacrifice for sound if I didn't absolutely have to. I don't know what other's think about this. I would think the serious DJ would feel the same but I don't want to put words in anybody's mouths.

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Originally posted by Vert No, its still analog, it states that in the article.. es

oops, thanks for the info

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