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For all you technical geniuses here (yes...thats you TeKnoHe@d2025)

I assume that if I were to compose an original work that it only becomes a REMIX or DUB (etc) after someone modifies it...so what type of modifications make each of these extensions unique?

What are the differences in trax that are labeled as a remix, dub, radio edit, version, mix, someone vs. someone else, etc.... please post other extensions that you have seen and tell me what they mean. I've just always wondered if they were used interchangeably or if they were all different.

Remix/ Mix/ Rework -- This is just a remake of the orginal song, re-mdade by another producer or DJ...they have simply just added, subtracted or changed in some way the track to have it sound how they invision it would sound if it was their song.

Radio Edit -- This is self explainatory. Most radio stations won't play LONG songs so producers cut their tracks down so that radio's will play them. They are just shortend versions of songs.

Dub -- I still have no clue what this means.

Someone vs. Someone -- This just means 2 people worked on the track together, for example Infected Mushroom vs. Yahel - "Electro Panic" this song was made by Infected Mushroom AND Yahel, it's just another way to say "and." Or for example Atlas - "Compass Error (Tarrentella vs Redanka Remake)" simply means that Tarrentella and Rendanka remixed the track together OR that Tarrentella Remixed the track and then Redanka took that remix and remixed again...or vise versa.

That's all I know

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Originally posted by Digital Aura For all you technical geniuses here (yes...thats you TeKnoHe@d2025)

At least somebody reconizes me. I assume you've taken a look at/leeched from my MP3 collection?

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Originally posted by Dan1584 Remix/ Mix/ Rework -- This is just a remake of the orginal song, re-mdade by another producer or DJ...they have simply just added, subtracted or changed in some way the track to have it sound how they invision it would sound if it was their song. Radio Edit -- This is self explainatory. Most radio stations won't play LONG songs so producers cut their tracks down so that radio's will play them. They are just shortend versions of songs. Dub -- I still have no clue what this means. Someone vs. Someone -- This just means 2 people worked on the track together, for example Infected Mushroom vs. Yahel - "Electro Panic" this song was made by Infected Mushroom AND Yahel, it's just another way to say "and." Or for example Atlas - "Compass Error (Tarrentella vs Redanka Remake)" simply means that Tarrentella and Rendanka remixed the track together OR that Tarrentella Remixed the track and then Redanka took that remix and remixed again...or vise versa. That's all I know

MOST of the times the "Dub" version is the non-vocal version of a track, specially in trance. But sometimes is a whole new song altogether, like Svenson & Gielen - Twisted (Jacob & Mendez Spanish Dub)

A dub as I know it is a song usually without vocals, OR In the case of DnB a dub is a song that basically wears out quicker the more you play it. (don't know how many times though).

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Originally posted by Dan1584 Dub -- I still have no clue what this means.

no vocals or few vocals used

dub.

dub's, in my opinion are a remix of a song in someone's honor, with a new title.

dont quote me on that.

Dub doesn't exaclty have to be vocals...it can mean any sample is taken out, or there's less of.

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Someone vs. Someone -- This just means 2 people worked on the track together

I was under the impression that this was usually just a bootleg -- where someone just mashed two artists together [eg. Darude vs. Miles - Children (of the Sandstorm)] to make a REMIX.
Interesting... a dub is no vocals...Im off to test that theory.

Techno..what did u mean /leeched ???

You forgot Reconstruction

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Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 At least somebody reconizes me. I assume you've taken a look at/leeched from my MP3 collection?

I've always wondered why the fuck u bother to add ur name in the tag of every track u have.

sad bastard

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Originally posted by Digital Aura I was under the impression that this was usually just a bootleg -- where someone just mashed two artists together [eg. Darude vs. Miles - Children (of the Sandstorm)] to make a REMIX.

You are both right. Sometimes it means the people worked together while other times it means it is a bootleg (mashup). Either you can tell the difference by wheather it sounds good or not Seriously, I guess if you have no clue if it is a bootleg or collaboration often the title will give a hint, like Sander Kleinenberg vs Disco Citizens - A Sacred Footprint or Kosheen vs. Ferry Corsten - Catch the Punk are bootlegs while Impact vs DJ Cor Fijneman - No Way Out or Fictivision vs C-Quence - Symbols are collaborations.

Also featuring...

the thrillseekers feat. sheryl deane - synaesthesia (fly away)

Just means an artiest (usually a vocalist) is being featured in a song... pretty self-explanatory.

I've heard that dub usually means no or fewer vocals as well.

Also there is the presents....

mr. x pres. mr. y - song (remix)

I think that is to "introduce" a new artist to the scene... sometimes it's the same artists introducing their new alias. Dance music has too many "quirks".


Also, is there actually a difference between remix and remake?

-Keith

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Originally posted by DJRavemonkey I've always wondered why the fuck u bother to add ur name in the tag of every track u have. sad bastard

LoL, no need to be jealous. I dunno why I started doing it, kinda cool to see how far my MP3s have traveled I guess.

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Originally posted by keithos27 Also, is there actually a difference between remix and remake?

Yeah, remakes are usually done by the original artist to "update" the track. Sometimes other people will do the remakes and add various things to it.

Mix: YOu use the original track and change the arrangement of the track, maybe add new parts. Only happens when the mixer works with the original artist or is in the original 12"?

Remix: Same as mix, except you make your own sound and make it sound like a new track.

Remake: You take an old track and make it again, usually done by the original artist.

Dub: A mix of the song with no vocals or very little vocals in it.

I could be wrong about some, but that's what I think...

no vocals?

hmm

what about Tekara ft. Lucy Cotter - Breathe in You (Tekara's M&M Dub)?

but...

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Dance music has too many "quirks".

I agree bro. So far this seems to all fit..but to answer the last part of my question...
If I wanted to (hypothetically, of course) launch a new choon and wanted attention could I call it "title of track here" (Dream Version) as opposed to original cut. Oh...cut..thats another isnt it? To have a "version" might mean that there is already another version available but couldn't it be a marketing ploy? I know when I see some unknown song with the words (Gabriel & Dresden Remix) I automatically download the remix. Like with Daniel Bedingfield - If You're Not The One...have you heard the original??
But the Metro Mix is sweet! Thus...couldnt you just make a song and insert "the blah blah Remix hashed version"

As far as i recall.. Theres..

1: DJ Jam X Joins B.I.A.(Tom Wax)<----could be the same as & or "and"
2: DJ Neo Versus Blutonium Boy<-----Collaboration work or Synergy
3: Avalon Meets Mythos N' DJ Cosmo<----Meetings?
5: Smith & Pledger<----Everyone Should Know This
6: 56K Featuring Bejay<----could be the vocalist of the track or another producer..mostly featuring vocalist.

For Mixing and other types
1: Remix, Re-Vised, Reconstruction, Remake<--almost all the same
2: Dub Mix<---kinda similar to Instrumental Mix, commonly used on typical house tracks. Will not see it in hard-trax
3: Vox, Non-Vox <----something like vocals but its more too rap or carzy people talking trash on the microphone
4: Instrumental Mix<---some trax can be different..some can be the same as the original accept no vocals or sometimes the track has no vocal even has instrumental mix.
5: Club Mix<----its like just another mix from the producer himself. Could be different from the original..sometimes only a little effort is done.
6: Airplay Cut, Album Mix, Radio Edit,<----very very short version of the extended version or original version. Its for public radios actually not suitable for mixing
7: Bootleg Mix, Whitelable mix<---hahah i think you guys shld know this one Clue: not very original

I my experience, DUB has had various parts (vocals, bass, hats, etc.) removed and/or replaced, creating a less intense "overlay" Mix. Well with dub's, you find a good track to go with it, and it fills in the "missing" sounds of the dub mix, making it sound more like a remix than just two well-matched records. I sometimes use them as overlays/lead-ins over the active song before switching to the orig. mix and completeing the transition.

Just my personal experience, though, as many of you mentioned, there are many exceptions. The term is used loosely.

DUBs are found in hard tracks, though not as often as house tracks.

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Originally posted by Dan1584 Dub -- I still have no clue what this means.

It means lose alot of the vocals.

I didn't read through this thread, i only looked at the creators post.. so here it goes.

Remix - someones reinterpretation of the track, a producer taking someone else's track and modifying it to his own likes.

Dub - remix of a track that originally had vocals.. Dub has vocals too, but very little and it's usually the 'main' vocal or sometimes the chorus

Radio Edit - same as the original track, however this one is much shorter for the listening purposes and the rotation purposes on the radio

Version - refers to different versions of the same track.. sometimes a producer releases a track and then happens to do some modification after it has already been released.. then he calls is Version 2.. or some other stupid name

Vs. - when 2 or more producers get together and put their ideas together to remix a track, or maybe to even create a new track altogether

Hope this helps you.

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Originally posted by diggabyte DUBs are found in hard tracks, though not as often as house tracks.

Er... yea i know whatcha mean.. Those tracks like Dave 202 & Phil Green, Dumonde and Cosmic Gate. Ok i amit they has dub mixes, But in my opinion if ya try listening to hardstyle/Uk hardhouse or even gabber and hardcore which are really hard. I don't think they have any. But they do have some "dubbish" parts in their tracks

Remix - Someone elses version of the song, usualy containing the original melody and/or harmonies and chord structures, but often using different sounds/synths.

edit/re-edit/rework - taking a song and leaving certain aspects of it EXACTLY the same (usually the melody) while making minor changes to the bassline, percussion, and structure to more suit the artists person style (IE PvD)

vs. - when two producers who don't usually work together collaborate OR a bootleg mix of two songs mixed together to create one. It's pretty easy to tell, as the former can result in amazing things (IE PvD vs. Second Sun - Crush, and Scott Bond vs. Solar Stone - The 3rd Earth) and the latter almost always results in a shitty tune (IE Delerium vs. PvD - Silent Angel)

Whoa whoa, a dub doesn't have to mean vocals removed, there are plenty of dubs of instrumental tracks. A dub is just a mix with some higher frequencies removed (in the case of vocal tracks this tends to include the vocals).

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