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Ok, watched a programme tonight and its just made me more aggrivated.

Basically, there were a few things shown in the programme. The first was a young lad whos mum and dad had both been caught speeding on the me day. BEcause he was pissed he went a put a tyre around the speed camera and was lighting it with petrol. Now that takes, what 10 mins to do at most. There was a camera across the road monitoring this and cops arrived just before he had lit it and arrested him. He could face 3 years, in prison.

Fistly, 10 mins to get here at the middle of the bloody night?? U get burgled, its takes sometimes 4 hours??
Secondly, 3 years for this? you get done for GBH or something and u get bloody community service!!!

THe next part was about the north of wales police. This bloke traps twice as many speeders as the national average! This bloke who i once readabout also has the lowest prosecution of burgleries, and also has the longest time to respond to a burlgary and other domestic calls.
Where the hell are the priorities???

I would really like to know how many ppl are killed on our roads from people who joy ride, drive under drug or alcohol etc... i bet the numbers would be drastically brought down!

It just iritates me, because they just want the money. They got nothing better to do than sit by a road all day and wait for speeders to pass. They got �68m or something last year from speeders, and 5,000 more cams are going to be put up in the next 2 years or something.

ARe you for speed cameras?

My mum said she wouldnt mind, but they hardly put them out side of schools or anything. My dad drives through the Peak district and there are 4 mobiles ones on the way there and back on average a week?? fucking why??

Opinions?

im for speed camera's but only in accident black spots, or the new average speed ones they have brought out in some motorway road works, in open "safe" roads its a nono for me

There aren't enough speed cameras. People just drive fast everywhere else and then when they approach a speed camera they slow down. What's the point in that? They should be hidden and there should be more of them. But the goverment should also accept that the speed limit is to slow in some areas and should increase this where nessasairy.

shurrup mike

about 99% of speed cameras in my area are not there to prevent accidents. I can't remember the time there was an accident on the A316 ever. its just a massive A road!

They should just make radar detectors more cheaper.

Accident blackspot genuinely deserve speed cameras.

the cheif of welsh police is a twat who has no clue.

i don't really class speeding as a "crime". If it was, i'd guess i'd be a hardcore criminal. IF a road is clear, and big, are you really going to stick to the limit? Speed should be defined by conditions and traffic.

there should be no limit on the motorways either, just like Germany

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike There aren't enough speed cameras. People just drive fast everywhere else and then when they approach a speed camera they slow down. What's the point in that? They should be hidden and there should be more of them. But the goverment should also accept that the speed limit is to slow in some areas and should increase this where nessasairy.

Speed cameras are supposed to be placed in accident blackspots, so to slow down traffic where normally speed is a danger - a good idea! But when u see cameras in a such a place where it is on a straight road with no minor roads, schools and residential areas it makes u wonder. I also think (correct me if im wrong) that speed cameras themselves also pose a danger cos when u see one at the last minute ur immediate reaction is to break which can cause a totally different but dangerous reaction.

dont speed cams capture at like 150 frames per second or something ridiculus like that?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike There aren't enough speed cameras. People just drive fast everywhere else and then when they approach a speed camera they slow down. What's the point in that? They should be hidden and there should be more of them. But the goverment should also accept that the speed limit is to slow in some areas and should increase this where nessasairy.

*round of applause*

They should be in every street in the country, speeders should be banned from driving. Then people would stop speeding everywhere, and not just where speed camera's are.

The "money making" argument is pure bollox too, the cash isn't going to to Mircrosoft or McDonalds ffs. More money into policing means TiestoFanMatt gets his burglery seen to in 10 minutes instead of 4 hours

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Originally posted by Spad The "money making" argument is pure bollox too, the cash isn't going to to Mircrosoft or McDonalds ffs. More money into policing means TiestoFanMatt gets his burglery seen to in 10 minutes instead of 4 hours

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Originally posted by Spad *round of applause* They should be in every street in the country, speeders should be banned from driving. Then people would stop speeding everywhere, and not just where speed camera's are. The "money making" argument is pure bollox too, the cash isn't going to to Mircrosoft or McDonalds ffs. More money into policing means TiestoFanMatt gets his burglery seen to in 10 minutes instead of 4 hours

Sorry Paul, but that is full of crap.

people will never stop speeding, even if there was a camera every 100 yards on every road, they will just tear them down.
I agree that in streets, towns etc that there should be a very strict speed limit, spesh near schools and places where there would be a large amount of pedestrians and that it should be strictly policed, but not with camera's.
It is a fact that camera's have caused more accidents at places than if a camera was not there.
PPL unfamiliar with the roads see them at last minute braking hard causing the car behind them to rear end them.
Hidden camera's will do the same thing.

And as for saying that more money into policing will get other crimes like theft seen to quicker is bullshit.
How much revenue have detection cameras already created and as that goes up, the detection rate for other crimes gets steadily worse.

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Originally posted by Spad They should be in every street in the country

and that would really make the countyside look really nice!

if you don't speed, the law isn't broken + you won't get caught.

setting a speed camera is a bit extreme and i bet the person who did it was some type of charva/scallie/radgie/ned. if the police see a crime happening and the law breaker can be caught red handed they will blatatanly go sort it out, apart from that it could be very dangerous to passing motorists, etc.

i do agree the police + govt. do have their priotities wrong, along with being corrupt and as 'bent as a 9 bob note.' however speed cameras in places like 30miles north of me on the A1 of me have reduced accidents immeasurably + zero'd fatalities, you can't tell me thats a bad thing.

and for the speed limits being fucked up, yep i agree they are, its a 40 zone outside my house, i live no 3 on my street, next to a very busy single carriage road, opposite to me and round the corner from my house there are both schools, with about 500 kids between them. yet there is a road on my way to work that has houses all set back from the road on one side only, and a stables near the bottom of the road with a big manky new speed control thing on the road which is like an elevated cattle grid thing almost, the speed limit there is 30. the reason for the speed is the stables, so human life is now not as important as a horses now then. very fucked up imo.

Right anyone who drives will know one thing. It is very easy to speed. Im not talking about 60 miles an hour, or 50mph speed limits, im talkin about 30mph speed limits.

If you drive a moderatly fast car, or even my bloody 1.2 corsa, if you take yr eye off the speedo for 2 seconds the speed can creep up and u r doing 35, now u can get nicked for doin 35 in a 30, and get 3 points on yr licence.

Now the money is going to the local police and not the goverment the limits on when u get nicked have been brought down and more mobile cameras are in place. This makes the local police a large amount of money. And as my mate who is a copper will tell u, they do it for the money.

They wont sit outside a school, or in an area where there are pedestrians at harm of being run over, no they will sit in areas where they know people maybe just going over the speed limit. It is all about making money now, and not about slowing down drivers.

Also this has been further proved by the fact a lot of speed limits have come down, 60mph speed limits r now 40 in a lot of places, and 40s 30, and very poorly signed as well, to catch out drivers.

I think its a discrace, i dont have a problem with cameras in traffic blgspots, but i do have a problem with them for money making purposes.

The police needs speeders to make money, i think they have got their priorities totally wrong, spend more time dealing with educating the young, and making sure young girls dont get raped walking home from school or work.

It makes me sick sometimes, but its not the coppers fault, they r only doing their job, its the people at the top.

This world is only concerned with money now, especially this goverment, taxes on petrol, again to apparently stop drivers, but taxes on petrol is a huge percentage of the overall budget, same with smokers, the goverment needs speeders, drivers and smokers.

Meh i could go on all day. It should be about the people, not the goverments pockets

(was in the middle of typing a reply but IE crashed, damn annoying)

I think that cameras are generally a good idea, most motorists see the cameras and slow down, because they don't want to pay a fine, so as a result they drive more safely, making the roads safer. Of course there's still gonna be the minority who still speed regardless of the cameras, and the ones who vandalise the cameras, but they're always gonna be there.

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Originally posted by flystyler Right anyone who drives will know one thing. It is very easy to speed. Im not talking about 60 miles an hour, or 50mph speed limits, im talkin about 30mph speed limits. If you drive a moderatly fast car, or even my bloody 1.2 corsa, if you take yr eye off the speedo for 2 seconds the speed can creep up and u r doing 35, now u can get nicked for doin 35 in a 30, and get 3 points on yr licence. Now the money is going to the local police and not the goverment the limits on when u get nicked have been brought down and more mobile cameras are in place. This makes the local police a large amount of money. And as my mate who is a copper will tell u, they do it for the money. They wont sit outside a school, or in an area where there are pedestrians at harm of being run over, no they will sit in areas where they know people maybe just going over the speed limit. It is all about making money now, and not about slowing down drivers. Also this has been further proved by the fact a lot of speed limits have come down, 60mph speed limits r now 40 in a lot of places, and 40s 30, and very poorly signed as well, to catch out drivers. I think its a discrace, i dont have a problem with cameras in traffic blgspots, but i do have a problem with them for money making purposes. The police needs speeders to make money, i think they have got their priorities totally wrong, spend more time dealing with educating the young, and making sure young girls dont get raped walking home from school or work. It makes me sick sometimes, but its not the coppers fault, they r only doing their job, its the people at the top. This world is only concerned with money now, especially this goverment, taxes on petrol, again to apparently stop drivers, but taxes on petrol is a huge percentage of the overall budget, same with smokers, the goverment needs speeders, drivers and smokers. Meh i could go on all day. It should be about the people, not the goverments pockets

Go flystyler!!!!!! (with u all the way)

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Originally posted by flystyler This world is only concerned with money now, especially this goverment, taxes on petrol, again to apparently stop drivers, but taxes on petrol is a huge percentage of the overall budget, same with smokers, the goverment needs speeders, drivers and smokers.

my dad works for hm c+e, so i know that this is fair on first glance yes. but taxes here even out over there etc. our road tax is fuck all compared to most of europe who also have even stricted pollution limits + stuff. everybody accross europe and most of the first world gets taxed more on something or other, ours just immediately happen to be petrol + tobacco.

also, be glad you don't live in norway, a macdonalds for 3 people cost my mate a shade over 30 quid.

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Originally posted by flystyler Now the money is going to the local police and not the goverment the limits on when u get nicked have been brought down and more mobile cameras are in place. This makes the local police a large amount of money. And as my mate who is a copper will tell u, they do it for the money.

They are massively under funded as it is, you can hardly blame them for trying to make a bit of money now can you.

This thread seems to be the non drivers vs the drivers OF course i am dead against speed cameras

they should be used accordingly but not strategically (sp?) placed in daft places just to incur income, esp those twats sat in the white van just shooting throughtout the day.

In the papers the other day, there was one van that rakes in so much, the whole police force for that area, had so much surplus income from speed fines that they had to give the rest to the government as they didn't know whay to do with it!!

On my way to london on 19-Oct, i got flashed like twice, first time was around 11pm, on m25 ring road, there were like about 10 cameras, and coming off one of the junctions, i was trying to look for road signs as i didnt where i was going, and got flashed. Just noticed the speed markings on the road, and it was too late when i saw 2 flashes in my rear mirror. Still my fault, as if i didn't know where i was going, i shouldn't be driving that fast anyway. Fair argument, i should pay the fine. And then again coming into london, i got flashed again... and my argument, was looking at the road signs to see where i was going

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Originally posted by sykadelik This thread seems to be the non drivers vs the drivers OF course i am dead against speed cameras

Too true, hier hier

It just bugs me coz i get to sheffield on the A61, and there is a road that in the morning, at 9am there is a mobile speed camera, two blokes sitting in the back holding these guns. Then when i leave uni at 4pm, they are on the other side of the road doing the same. Now these two ppl could be doing something other than sitting on their arse all day, baring in mind our taxes pay them. I know3 speed cameras near me that after just after a 60 mph zone, down to a 30. U imagine someone going down there at 60, start to slow down and then slam on his brakes coz of the cam, bloke behind him rams into him. ITs a domino effect!

1/11 people have no supposidely been flashed for speeding. This bloke said that he regards speeders as criminals, so we obviously have allot of criminals in this country.

The things the bloke used on the advert to stop ppl speeding is like showing this young lad run into the road and a car was doign 25mph and he died. Should we all slow to 20 mph? I dont get it. Why not try and do an awaeness scheme so that kids know how to cross roads properly, and mums shouldnt let kids run around next to busy main roads! Even the mum was saying that speed cams are ridiucals!

It is money making scheme, and the crime of this country is getting worse. I actually feel sorry for coppers ccoz they get the slack for all of this and it is their superiors who tell em what to do.

Why not put a ristricted speed limit on cars or something!!!

I only speed on the dual carriagement + motorway tbh so i must be a criminal, oh well.

if i get caught twice speeding i lose my liscence as iv only been driving 5 months!

you couldn't put a speed limiter on cars as it would be dangerous.

you wouldn't be able to accelrate away from danger from example, or you car could not react as fast as you could.

fortunately in the cases of motorways, police unofficially regard the limit as 80, and therefore you won't get anything against you if you go past a mobile laser gun.

also there is a threshold for camera flashes for you to get a fine and points.

it is 10% of the limit plus 2 mph.

so if you get flashed in a 30 zone for doing 34, you can contest that. The threshold is set by the UK police headquarters.

also, if you don't want to get any points or fines, don't sign the ticket when it comes thorught your door, but send it back to the address. You won't get any points or fine, as there is a loophole in the law. Basically, by signing it, you admit that it was you etc. However, there is no law saying you have to sign the ticket, therefore, the ticket is void as evidence.

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Originally posted by dj_mdma also, if you don't want to get any points or fines, don't sign the ticket when it comes thorught your door, but send it back to the address. You won't get any points or fine, as there is a loophole in the law. Basically, by signing it, you admit that it was you etc. However, there is no law saying you have to sign the ticket, therefore, the ticket is void as evidence.

i thought u still need to pay the fine, u just dont get no points? its been nearly 4 weeks lam, wicked but touch wood its not been delayed in the post!!

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Originally posted by dj_mdma there should be no limit on the motorways either, just like Germany

Actually there are limits on the motorways in Germany. It's just that the cops don't bother with going after you unless you're afterburning it down the autobahn big time.

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Originally posted by dj_mdma you couldn't put a speed limiter on cars as it would be dangerous. you wouldn't be able to accelrate away from danger from example, or you car could not react as fast as you could.

1. a speed limiter wouldnt decrease the acceleration and as for accelerating out of danger thats riduculous

2. the 10% + 2mph is a guideline only you can still be prosecuted for doing 34mph in a 30mph zone.

3. as for the loophole of not signing that is a load of crap you can still be done

They are a joke, you can see them a mile off, painted in yellow and markings on the road, and half of them are empty boxes. They don't stop speeding, they are just for getting money out of you.

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