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Do you think -32 db is too much to cut?
i have a behringer djx 700 and it has a -32db cut on all frequencies. but im finding if i cut all the way to -32 it sounds really dodgy when i do bass changovers, like as if i just slamed one in and took the other one out, and this obviously sounds shit and the incoming song sounds tinny because of it as well. so my question is does anyone else think this or is it just me? and anyone with this mixer: do you use full bass cuts?
sory if this a bit rushed, at college and about to leave. thanks in advance. hope u understand what i mean.
I presume you're talking about cutting the bass -32 dB and then doing a bass swap..
I do not have a DJX700 but to me this sounds like something that can be 'solved' easy: just don't cut the bass on the incoming track that much.. These EQs are imo made to cut as much as possible, and whenever it doesn't suit you, just cut a little less..
I can imagine it'll sound dodgy, that happens with many full-on / full-off bass swaps (if you know what I mean).. But you can't blame the mixer for cutting 'too much'.. Just adapt to it by not cutting all the way.
Don't know if it makes any sense to you 
I noticed on the DJX 700 that the eq curve is weird also. The eq's all start at +12 and go to -32 DB, but +12 to about -20/25 sounds about right, but as soon as you pass the fine line on this mixer, it does sound definatley like you loose something. I have been finding that not killing the bass or any eq completly (I am getting used to and better with the mixer) leaves just enough in it for the master to not sound "Empty". Play around with your mixer and see where the "Fine Line" for the kill of sound is. This is 1 of 2 peeves of mine with this mixer, and the effects of course. But play around some more and try to get what I just said and it may help a bit. I know it pisses me off also, but you can work around it.
Sucks indeed, having such a dip (as I call it) instead of a linear EQ behavior (as long as that is possible with dBs of course )..
One reason for me not to choose the DJX700 as my new mixer (second and third being the complete, but temporal hopefully, unavailability of money for a new mixer and of the DJX700 in a decent store here)
it doesnt exactly piss me off. just confused me a bit, my old mixer went to -26db. and it sounded good when i did quick bass swaps but on the -32 it didnt. maybe this will stop me using the kills so much. i know what u mean tho, there is a kinda "point of no return" on the dbs for the djx700, get quite low on it and it still sounds good, but go past the point, and bang, sounds shity. gona have to play around and get used to it i guess, in a perfect world i wouldnt do fast bass changeovers id b able to do it gradualy and smoothley, but i always get phasing beats when i do it that way. thanks for ur halp and advice. il try it.
Yes, I have noticed this as well. Another thing that bothers me is the kill switches being too extreme. I mix a lot of techno, and I used to use the kills on my old mixer a lot when mixing (AKA "Pulling a Rush" 
). The kills leave it sounding too hollow so I just use the EQ now.
This mixer is definitely one that takes some getting used to.
totally agree here
i reckon 26 would be sufficient, my mixer also goes to -32 and if you turn it a little too far you really mess up the sound of the mix, this is a real problem with getting demos did properly to send out
makes me wish i had tryed the mixer out before i brought it 
the max cuts on my Pioneer DJM3000 (the 19" version of the DJM600) are -26dB
I do complete bass swaps and find it to be perfect... any more cut and it would sound too dry
do what one of the earlier posters said, just dont cut all the way
I don't see why this would stop someone from buying the mixer, it's a superb piece of tech. Like I said, it just takes some getting used to...just don't turn your knobs all the way to the left!
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| Originally posted by uxud I don't see why this would stop someone from buying the mixer, it's a superb piece of tech. Like I said, it just takes some getting used to...just don't turn your knobs all the way to the left! |
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| Originally posted by uxud I don't see why this would stop someone from buying the mixer, it's a superb piece of tech. Like I said, it just takes some getting used to...just don't turn your knobs all the way to the left! |
This isn't really staying on topic but the EQs on the A&H Xone series mixers are the best out of what I've used.
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| Originally posted by DJ1MK This isn't really staying on topic but the EQs on the A&H Xone series mixers are the best out of what I've used. |
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| Originally posted by uxud I don't see why this would stop someone from buying the mixer, it's a superb piece of tech. Like I said, it just takes some getting used to...just don't turn your knobs all the way to the left! |
That's the thing about EQing.
You should really teach yourself to go with what it sounds like and not the position of the EQ. While the +/- 0 setting is fine in the bedroom, you will get a whole different experience when playing somewhere else depending on the quality of the sound system and the accoustics.
How much you drop the bass again should depend on the sound and not the position. I have an A&H mixer and find that -26 is way too much. I usually only turn it down to about half that sometimes less. When I have both tracks in I tend to have the bass down on both of them, even if it's just a fraction. This tends to stop that phasing effect you can sometimes get when the kicks are on top of each other.
But yes -32 sounds way too much. I though -26 was too much but that must sound awful.
Cheers
Nem
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