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Posted by Form&Funktion on Nov-25-2003 00:49:

Unhappy Flu Shots - Your opinions please

It seems everyone around me who has received the flu shot this year has ALREADY gotten sick yet I've never got it and usually only get a light cold once or twice in the season. What gives?????

FF


Posted by Vivid Boy on Nov-25-2003 00:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Form&Funktion
What gives?????




ur immune system


Posted by dEsidEL on Nov-25-2003 01:08:

KarateKid



the flu shot is supposed to prevent you from contracting the influenza virus, which isn't the same thing as catching a cold which can still happen even if you've been vacinated.


Posted by Pett on Nov-25-2003 01:10:

Smiley DJ meah

i aint scared of no flu


Posted by Enraptured on Nov-25-2003 01:36:

I am basically against the flu shot... for the very old, or in special cases, the very young, it may not be a bad idea. It is true that you can sometimes boost the immune system's chances of fighting of a virus by introducing small amounts of it, this imprints a genetic "code" into your antibodies that "remember" the virus and how to fight it off quickly. That being said, it is difficult to know WHICH viruses people will come into contact with, so a flu shot would be worthless in that case. Also, a high percentage of people who receive the flu shot, actually catch the flu from it! I think that if you are a healthy person, the flu shot is unnecessary. Sooner or later everyone gets the flu. That's just the way it is.

Another huge problem is that people have a tendency to overuse the name "flu"... there is NO SUCH THING as a 24-hour flu. If you are sick, ie: throwing up etc... for only 24 hours, you have FOOD POISONING. [Or you are hungover] It's a lot more common than people think.

I am interested to hear what other people think of this. Good topic!


Posted by cap on Nov-25-2003 01:39:

I am thinking about getting it. The things holding me back:
- I rarely get the flu. Maybe at most once a year.
- I heard there is a possibility of some nasty side effects in some people.

Overall, I think it's worth it... but I'm too lazy to find/go to a place to do it..lol


Posted by drewfactor on Nov-25-2003 02:02:

Basically, the influenza virus mutates so much that the vaccine that is created from the most common or threatening strain of the virus could not be the same virus (or bacterial) infection that you get...hence still getting sick.


Posted by dEsidEL on Nov-25-2003 02:39:

KarateKid

quote:
Originally posted by jenna_rae
I don't get it. I believe that you body can become immune to such things and you shouldn't be injecting yourself with the virus to defend against it. If I happen to get sick I deal with it then. I think it is all a lot of propaganda that the Government and doctors create. That's just my opinion on it.




it doesn't actually contain the virus in the vaccine.. and don't you watch the Simpson's Jenna ?? they inject it around Christmas time to make us all go into a shoppin frenzy!


Posted by Form&Funktion on Nov-25-2003 02:49:

quote:
the flu shot is supposed to prevent you from contracting the influenza virus, which isn't the same thing as catching a cold which can still happen even if you've been vacinated.


Very true Emz..........I just thought it interesting that most people I know who avoid these type of vaccinations seem more resistant to sickness in general than those who feel the need for them.

I wonder how much, psychological factors play? Someone who is confident in their health would be less inclined than say, a hypochondriac to be immunized so these people would....based on their mental attitude....be more positive about health regardless of flu shots.

I also have to wonder just how effective they really are.

FF


Posted by AwakenedAddict on Nov-25-2003 03:00:

I have never gotten a flu shot in my life for two reasons.... 1) i HATE needles, 2) Californians are inherently Flu resistent (ok i might be a little biased :P). Anyhow, considering the fact that i have never had a flu shot, and that I moved to TO from san jose, california, (change in environment --> new germs, etc.) i probably should have gotten the flu by now. I HAVEN'T... final verdict: the flu shot is a waste of time.


Posted by The Highroller on Nov-25-2003 03:14:

I've never got it and never will because

- I've only had the flu maybe twice
- I'm scared shitless of needles!!!


Posted by Rocco on Nov-25-2003 03:56:

no flu shot for me... my doctor is only recommending it for very young children, seniors or ppl with weak immune. so i'm ok not to take it


Posted by rabbitjoker on Nov-25-2003 04:05:

Just do it. Nike.


Posted by DJ_Ampz on Nov-25-2003 04:21:

i got it
no side effects

Ampz


Posted by piggy on Nov-25-2003 04:39:

might as well, its free


Posted by LKD on Nov-25-2003 05:13:

quote:
Originally posted by drewfactor
Basically, the influenza virus mutates so much that the vaccine that is created from the most common or threatening strain of the virus could not be the same virus (or bacterial) infection that you get...hence still getting sick.


listen to him!!!

(seriously...he graduated from McMaster and is a practicing medical something)


Posted by Max Q on Nov-25-2003 05:49:

quote:
Originally posted by cap
I am thinking about getting it. The things holding me back:
- I rarely get the flu. Maybe at most once a year.
- I heard there is a possibility of some nasty side effects in some people.



Yeah, I'm thinking about getting the flu as well.. I don't want to go into work for the next week...

Things holding me back:
- Throwing up all the time with a fever and aching body


Posted by BubbleGirl on Nov-25-2003 14:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Enraptured
I am basically against the flu shot... for the very old, or in special cases, the very young, it may not be a bad idea. It is true that you can sometimes boost the immune system's chances of fighting of a virus by introducing small amounts of it, this imprints a genetic "code" into your antibodies that "remember" the virus and how to fight it off quickly. That being said, it is difficult to know WHICH viruses people will come into contact with, so a flu shot would be worthless in that case. Also, a high percentage of people who receive the flu shot, actually catch the flu from it! I think that if you are a healthy person, the flu shot is unnecessary. Sooner or later everyone gets the flu. That's just the way it is.

Another huge problem is that people have a tendency to overuse the name "flu"... there is NO SUCH THING as a 24-hour flu. If you are sick, ie: throwing up etc... for only 24 hours, you have FOOD POISONING. [Or you are hungover] It's a lot more common than people think.

I am interested to hear what other people think of this. Good topic!


I have to disagree with you on this one (based on my experience). Having a weak immune system and getting lung and sinus infections all the time, this shot that I have been taking for at least 3 years have helped me a lot (especially being breathing the same air than the other 350 people in the plane when I used to work for the airlines). Of course I got a little cold maybe once a year instead of 5 or 6 times, and it never got as bad as it used to! I agree that it is a personal thing...some people have bad side effects following the shot (like my mother who won't take it anymore)...some others don't...The only thing common to everybody who takes it is a soreness in the arm where you got injected for a day or too....How bad can that be !!? We've all had worse.
For people who caught a cold following the injection, I believe there is absolutely no connection...The virus (Influenza which is a really bad flu that can lead to hospitalization)that they inject you is dead, therefore cannot cause any infection but just build up your immune system in case it encounters this virus again. This is my understanding of the whole issue, but correct me if I am wrong.
Make sure not to not mix up the terms FLU and COLD.....they are completely different...


Posted by Enraptured on Nov-25-2003 15:08:

Hmmmm.... that's what I'm trying to say! People rush out to get a flu shot, but if you really think about it, how many times can people truly claim to have had the flu? My point is that quite often colds and food poisoning get lumped in with the word "flu". People THINK they have the flu, when they actually don't. So when they get sick after getting the shot, they wonder why. Influenza is a fairly serious infection.

I actually didn't know that they inject dead virus cells... interesting, but for most people I still think it's unnecessary. Another drawback to all this is that they have to change the shot every year because the virus mutates very quickly. You have to ask yourself, are we creating a super-bug? If we use all our resources to fight this when it's basically unnecessary, what happens when we can't make a vaccine anymore? If you have a weak immune system, then it's probably a good idea! Keep in mind that there is a big difference between a cold and the flu. There's NOTHING you can do to prevent getting a cold. [apart from avoiding ALL human contact, which is no fun!]


Posted by Fir3start3r on Nov-25-2003 15:59:

quote:
Originally posted by jenna_rae
I don't get it. I believe that you body can become immune to such things and you shouldn't be injecting yourself with the virus to defend against it. If I happen to get sick I deal with it then. I think it is all a lot of propaganda that the Government and doctors create. That's just my opinion on it.


Ditto this...

Your body will learn to defend itself better by dealing with infection itself.
A dependancy like a Flu shot is just that...a dependancy your body will require because over time will not know how to deal without it when the time comes...

My 2�...


Posted by Enraptured on Nov-25-2003 16:10:

This article will give you an idea of what scares the crap out of me!

Scary SuperBug Article...

Yikes! Do we "Over-Medicate" ourselves? (Except on weekends! )


Posted by Hami on Nov-25-2003 20:37:

Why would you get a shot for something that your body is prepared and willing to fight?

I'll agree that the young and old and those with a bad immune system should consider this, but for all those roboust men and women, why take it?

here the thought running through my head

"sure, this way I won't get sick, and my immune system will never learn anything"

I just got through a wierd book on a deseases, and from common sense, if my body can fight it, let it!


Posted by Saac on Nov-25-2003 21:03:

I never get sick. I've never gotten the flu shot before.

This year, just to shut my parents up, I went and got it, because: a) it's free b) I don't mind needles c) it'll shut my parents up.

I regret it. I have felt crappy (mild flu-like symptoms) since I got it (1 week). Others have had worse reactions.

My take on it is this: If you are healthy and strong, don't bother. If you are female, and hot, I'll be happy to nurse you back to health, K?


Posted by loca on Nov-25-2003 21:09:

I've thought about getting it every single year since i've found out about it but never have yet.
Mainly because i don't have the time to go see my GP for that.
I wouldn't mind getting it done though since every year i seem to catch one or 2 good flus
(when i left Canada last time i got the worst flu the day before i left!!).
Either ways, sometimes a good old cold can seem like a flu so you're really not escaping
much by getting it. So long as it doesn't happen during exam time, i'm happy!
That being said, i hope i've now jinxed any chance of getting the flu over exams!


Posted by Fir3start3r on Nov-25-2003 21:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Enraptured
This article will give you an idea of what scares the crap out of me!

Scary SuperBug Article...

Yikes! Do we "Over-Medicate" ourselves? (Except on weekends! )


It's akin to the Super-Bug <--> Insectiside vicious circle...


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