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here I go again, but this time, re-equed everything and remembered cheggy�s tip about the mids.

please, listen and send comments, critics, opinions and whatelse you like.

it�s a full-on trance - i guess hehe

I know there�s much to learn but this version it�s much better than the first one. well, listen and see what u feel

oh yeah, the link >>>>���� <<<<

The bass and the FX in the beginning seem to be out of tune from each other.. mastering is good to an untrained ear.. but I can hear distortion all over the place.. just reduce your levels next time and compress the track.. over all it isn't too bad.. seems to me like you just played with a lot of samples though.. try using a sample slicer (acid for example) to pan and mess with the samples..

hey, I�m glad you like the mastering! and thank you for the good tips..i�ll try that.

oh, the bass and the fx in the beggining are intended to sound weirdo, not necessarily in tune to each other.

I personally don't like compressors... distortion is necessary to get a good master, in my opinion, and the human ear can't detect -3, -6 or even -9dB distortion unless you are playing simple shapes. Watch waveforms of a Cosmic Gate or Dumonde song and you will see that they usually have some distortion (couldn't tell you how much).
Compressors make your sound phase in and out and can make mixing a bit difficult.

The sound is a bit... wacky... for my tastes and the bass drum is lacking a lot of low-end oomph, sounds tinny, but other then that the song seems a bit lacking in the high end.

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BumpinTitaniums I personally don't like compressors... distortion is necessary to get a good master, in my opinion, and the human ear can't detect -3, -6 or even -9dB distortion unless you are playing simple shapes. Watch waveforms of a Cosmic Gate or Dumonde song and you will see that they usually have some distortion (couldn't tell you how much). Compressors make your sound phase in and out and can make mixing a bit difficult. The sound is a bit... wacky... for my tastes and the bass drum is lacking a lot of low-end oomph, sounds tinny, but other then that the song seems a bit lacking in the high end.

you must be new to this whole producing thing, huh? Compressors are the only way to make your snare snapy and your kick bassy.. and I dont know what your using to check the Db levels but I have NEVER seen a pro track with even a hint of distortion.. distortion muddles out your sound.. and compressors only make the sound phase if you use a limiter at to high a Db range with it..

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Originally posted by BumpinTitaniums Compressors make your sound phase in and out and can make mixing a bit difficult.

This is because changes in the higher frequencies are much more audible to the human ear than lower frequencies. When you run a compressor over the master channel, it has to work really hard to compress the bass frequencies. As a result it is then compressing really hard on the higher frequencies, causing it to pump in and out. If you use a multi-band compressor, the you can heavily compress the lows while leaving the highs nice and smooth and you won't get these probelms. If you don't use compression at all, you can be left with a soft weak sounding track with a lack of volume and punch.

As for the song... FREAKY. Always nice to hear something different.

let me ask - how can you notice if there�s distortion using a db meter? is the clipping thing?

does anybody have any tip on where can I get a nice db meter?
I checked it in sound forge and it seemed ok (no clipping)

I liked the tips for compressing. tanx.

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If you use a multi-band compressor, the you can heavily compress the lows while leaving the highs nice and smooth and you won't get these probelms.

Yeh, that's what I meant.. yay for multi-band compressors!

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let me ask - how can you notice if there�s distortion using a db meter? is the clipping thing?

If you use Sound Forge 7, you can have it check for clips (tools - clip checker) or if not, the dB meter on the right of the interface works great for checking for distortion.. just let the track run though and see if the meter says "clip" on top of it.

mmm
strange, cause that�s exactly what i did and saw no clip.
I used sound forge 6.0 and cool edit 2.0

are you sure the track is going above 0.0 db?

I do not believe a wave form can go above 0db.. it only tries to "out do itself" and levels off at 0db creating distortion.. but yes, I definitly saw and heard distortion in the wave form.. A good tactic is to use a limiter to cut all the short peaks in the wave form to a set dB amount and then use the Sound Forge normalizer in RMS mode to maxamize it...

I don't have a multiband compressor so thats probably why I don't use one. As for making my bass punchy and my trebles sharp, a compressor rather seems to take away from both or ends up doing nothing anyway. The ear can't hear clipping so why try and avoid it? You only have to mess with it when it does become detectable. But then again, I master on computer speakers without reference monitors so I think my highs and lows are naturally colored a bit too much to make a good master

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BumpinTitaniums I don't have a multiband compressor so thats probably why I don't use one. As for making my bass punchy and my trebles sharp, a compressor rather seems to take away from both or ends up doing nothing anyway. The ear can't hear clipping so why try and avoid it? You only have to mess with it when it does become detectable. But then again, I master on computer speakers without reference monitors so I think my highs and lows are naturally colored a bit too much to make a good master

You track will not be louder because it is distorted... It will only sound muddy and lack clarity. There is no benifit to clipping, it definilty doesn't make the track sound better so I'm not sure how you figure clipping is good.[

You're talking about a pretty extreme case of clipping, where everything starts to roll off and sound bad... a limited case of clipping is not audible. You cannot hear a difference at all, you could never tell it was there. Cosmic Gate's Exploration of Space clips at every kick through the main riff, and you could never tell it was there. If you master to take advantage of this, it sounds better.

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