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Posted by l0rd_tornado on Nov-30-2003 00:50:

Question Which Headphones Do I go with???

hello guys. Im new to the forums here, but I need some advice, as I am very soon going to be purchasing some new headphones. The Two pair I am currently looking at are the Sony V700's I think it is, and the Pioneer HDJ1000's. Im leaning more toward the Pioneer's right now. However, I have no experiance with proffesional Headphones, and I know most of you guys have. What I will be using this set for is Basically on a computer. I like to work alot with remixing and misc. DJ software. I also listen to Trance a LOT, and I want a set of headphones that can deliver very deep, and precise base, and sound to perfection. I will NOT be doing real DJing with these headphones, and Money is not an issue in my decision. From what Ive read and heard so far, it appears the DJ1000's may sound a bit better, and had better bass. However I want to get some more opinions before I made a final desicion, so guys, what Headphones have the best sound that are in the HDJ1000/v700 class? Thanks for your help.


Posted by Vlad on Nov-30-2003 01:11:

Firstly, try using search next time you decide to post something because chances are its already been discussed.

Now, if you want an opinion about headphones, the only person that can do that for you is you. Go to a Guitar Center or any general music store, and try out the headphones. People choose headphones according to how they like it to sound, and the only person that knows what you like stuff to sound like is you.

I can give you another suggestion for headphones to test out is the Behringer HD280.


Posted by l0rd_tornado on Nov-30-2003 01:39:

im going to be ordering them over the internet, so I cant go pop in a cd and listen to them all in a store. I dont even know of a store around my area that would carry these type headphones anyways. Id like to just get basic opinions, on what you guys think are the best sounding set of headphones in the given class. Im sure someone on here has heard both the sets Ive mentioned. Also, thanks for the other recommendation, i will look into them as well.


Posted by DjJade on Nov-30-2003 05:40:

ugh not another headphone thread...use the search button yo





i dont mean to be a jerk but if you see how many threads are about headphones and all the same things that the same people always say... you will know what i mean


Posted by seven.dj on Nov-30-2003 05:48:

hey being a deaf dj (how ironic) I dunno how much of help I could be haha. But honestly I see no difference between the Sony 700s and the 600s which I have. Only difference I see is the 700s swivel and the 600s fit my ear better. Both me, my father, and my brother all listened to both and could not tell any difference, so why spend 30-40 more dollars to get a little swivel if theres no difference in sound, thats all i figured.
Vlad couldnt have been closer to the truth tho, you really got to try the headphones out. You find me 10 people that agree on the equalization of any track and I'll stand down. Truth is, sound is different for everyone and everyone's preferred sound is going to be different than someone else's preffered sound, our ears hear every frequency at different levels as individuals, so of course you don't hear the same way everyone else hears.
Everyone's preference is different. Some like more bass, maybe they can't hear bass as loud as you... just the way some people like more treble. Just like buying the right sounding needle, you have to physically be there and hear the sound that is produced to be able to tell what you want. People can make suggestions but they are soley based on their personal preference. Myself, I have only used the sony 700 and 600 in club environments (other than trying others out in the store) and I honestly believe if are hesitant to buy the 700, just buy the 600, it's a lot cheaper and I believe just the same quality (better if you consider the way it fits your ear).
Honestly if you start arguing that the 700 goes to 16 hz vs the 600 going only down to 24 hz (and Im just throwing these out here dont quote me on this), 8 hz difference, you wont hear SHIT difference.
So I say, take suggestions and go try em out on your own, see what you think. Lemme know however, whats sounds better, the 600 or 700?


Posted by l0rd_tornado on Nov-30-2003 07:38:

Im also curious, does anyone know, or can it be determined what kinda output a sound blaster audigy sound card has? Im just wondering as to how hard an audigy sound card could push a set of 3500 mwatt headphones. Im guessing that they cant push to terribly much, but im not real sure. I know that the more you can push you usually get a more powerful sound. Ill try to dig up the specs on the sound card, but I dont think it lists this information. Im just hoping that using mostly a computer with software setup is actually gonna push these headphones good enough to make it worth the investment.Again, just my lack of experiance with professional headphones and all the technicals behind the numbers. Does anyone here also use a computer for DJ work that could comment on this?


Posted by Vert on Nov-30-2003 07:55:

quote:
Originally posted by DjJade
ugh not another headphone thread...use the search button yo





i dont mean to be a jerk but if you see how many threads are about headphones and all the same things that the same people always say... you will know what i mean


The problem is, you people tell them to go search, and then tell them the answer to their question.. You are too nice!! :P

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Posted by Gluegun on Nov-30-2003 08:23:

quote:
Originally posted by l0rd_tornado
Im also curious, does anyone know, or can it be determined what kinda output a sound blaster audigy sound card has? Im just wondering as to how hard an audigy sound card could push a set of 3500 mwatt headphones. Im guessing that they cant push to terribly much, but im not real sure. I know that the more you can push you usually get a more powerful sound. Ill try to dig up the specs on the sound card, but I dont think it lists this information. Im just hoping that using mostly a computer with software setup is actually gonna push these headphones good enough to make it worth the investment.Again, just my lack of experiance with professional headphones and all the technicals behind the numbers. Does anyone here also use a computer for DJ work that could comment on this?


First of all... "3500 mwatt headphones" is probably a load of bull... that's not how one rates headphone sensitivity... and an audigy is a line-level source, and will only sound decent on efficient headphones...


Posted by l0rd_tornado on Nov-30-2003 08:52:

what do you mean by an audigy sound card will only sound decent on effecient headphones? Im talking about using probably using Pioneer HDJ1000's With sound blaster audigy Sound card. Is that effecient enough? The way I understood it is that you need a good solid source powering these headphones to get a really strong sound, and I was un sure if a Audigy Sound card had the Umphh to make these headphones sound better than some $20 set of headphones i have laying around somewhere. These haedphones are made to be used with mixers and what not, and Im wanting them to sound just as good on a computer setup, and I dont ahve the slightest clue what to expect.


Posted by Sjodalf on Nov-30-2003 12:53:

dude, i suggest you try em out before you buy em!
was about to go for one of those you mention.. but i decided to go try em out first.. and what i found out. they didn't fit on my ears at all!!
the sound qual was ok, but when they wore that unconfortable it doesn't matter..
so I'm looking at some completely other models atm..


Posted by failsafe on Nov-30-2003 22:53:

I have poineer sdj-5000's which are quite similar to the 1000's and i've run them off my audigy 2 platimum card when I'm not mixing. I have that front face plate with a full size headphone out jack with a seperate volume control and it sounds no different than my poineer djm 500 mixer with the only exception being peak voulme. The mixer can get the volume about twice as high as the sound card. That said I've ever wanted to listen to music at well beyond deafing levels so it's really a moot point.


Posted by Gluegun on Nov-30-2003 23:51:

quote:
Originally posted by l0rd_tornado
what do you mean by an audigy sound card will only sound decent on effecient headphones? Im talking about using probably using Pioneer HDJ1000's With sound blaster audigy Sound card. Is that effecient enough? The way I understood it is that you need a good solid source powering these headphones to get a really strong sound, and I was un sure if a Audigy Sound card had the Umphh to make these headphones sound better than some $20 set of headphones i have laying around somewhere. These haedphones are made to be used with mixers and what not, and Im wanting them to sound just as good on a computer setup, and I dont ahve the slightest clue what to expect.


Dude... DJ headphones = ultra-efficient...

Sound Blaster Audigy = pretty damn low-fi, but not too bad for a gamer..

Besides, there's also a difference between "being able to drive headphones to deafening levels" and "being able to drive headphones well"

Most DJ headphones are made knowing that DJ's have shitty sources... that's one thing that really holds back the sound quality of lots of DJ headphones...


Posted by l0rd_tornado on Nov-30-2003 23:59:

quote:
Originally posted by failsafe
I have poineer sdj-5000's which are quite similar to the 1000's and i've run them off my audigy 2 platimum card when I'm not mixing. I have that front face plate with a full size headphone out jack with a seperate volume control and it sounds no different than my poineer djm 500 mixer with the only exception being peak voulme. The mixer can get the volume about twice as high as the sound card. That said I've ever wanted to listen to music at well beyond deafing levels so it's really a moot point.


Thanks alot for this info Failsafe, I really needed to know this information. I dont have the Live bay set up with my audigy though, although I might look into just purchasing the drive bay unit by itself. thaks for this info, very informative for me and making my decision.

The point of me wanting such high quality headphones is because I use a computer a lot, and I listen to trance music and what not somtimes hours and hours in a day, and Being I listen to it so much, and love it, I want to get the best possible listning experiance I can. I currently use a $20 set of headphones that just doesnt have the uumpgh at all that I want to hear in my music. No im not really wanting to be a DJ, But I want some Quality listning, The best I can have, being large parts of my days are listning to music.


Posted by l0rd_tornado on Dec-01-2003 00:57:

hmmm. Ive been reading about another set that I had previously not looked at, the Sony MDR-7506. Anyone know how well these stack up to HDJ1000's ?


Posted by Gluegun on Dec-01-2003 01:25:

quote:
Originally posted by l0rd_tornado
Thanks alot for this info Failsafe, I really needed to know this information. I dont have the Live bay set up with my audigy though, although I might look into just purchasing the drive bay unit by itself. thaks for this info, very informative for me and making my decision.

The point of me wanting such high quality headphones is because I use a computer a lot, and I listen to trance music and what not somtimes hours and hours in a day, and Being I listen to it so much, and love it, I want to get the best possible listning experiance I can. I currently use a $20 set of headphones that just doesnt have the uumpgh at all that I want to hear in my music. No im not really wanting to be a DJ, But I want some Quality listning, The best I can have, being large parts of my days are listning to music.


Than forget these forums and go to www.head-fi.org

Trust me...

First of all, you'll have to upgrade your Audigy to something decent... maybe an M-Audio Revolution. Then, you reevaluate your ultimate maximum budget for the system. Is it enough to go for some quality headphones AND a headphone amplifier? Or just headphones? That sort of thing... THEN you need to rethink your NEEDS rather than asking "is X headphone better than Y or Z" a lot... think of what types of sound you need, what sorts of fit you want, where you will be using them, how you will be using them, what things you will pump through them, with what sources, etc. etc. etc... and THEN ask for advice...


Posted by l0rd_tornado on Dec-01-2003 02:40:

Well I just Rehooked up my Pioneer VSX-d308 Reciever to my computer, and will br running the headphones directly from the reaceiver. It uses the bigger headphone plug, and pushes my headphones ALOT harder. I can not even get the volume knob past about 40% without totally blowing out my current headphones. I was looking into some headphone amps, but I think this Pioneer reciever will push these headphones just fine, not to mention it also has Dobly Pro Logic, and DTS and a whole slew of other features on it, and Id say that going from the sound card, to the reciever, and then running the headphones from the reaciever, I gain atleast 300% more power than running the headphones from the soundcard by themselves.

And nah i wont be switching soundcards, as I am also a Gamer, and the audigy is surperior in this category.


Posted by Gluegun on Dec-01-2003 03:13:

quote:
Originally posted by l0rd_tornado
Well I just Rehooked up my Pioneer VSX-d308 Reciever to my computer, and will br running the headphones directly from the reaceiver. It uses the bigger headphone plug, and pushes my headphones ALOT harder. I can not even get the volume knob past about 40% without totally blowing out my current headphones. I was looking into some headphone amps, but I think this Pioneer reciever will push these headphones just fine, not to mention it also has Dobly Pro Logic, and DTS and a whole slew of other features on it, and Id say that going from the sound card, to the reciever, and then running the headphones from the reaciever, I gain atleast 300% more power than running the headphones from the soundcard by themselves.

And nah i wont be switching soundcards, as I am also a Gamer, and the audigy is surperior in this category.


Than at least get an Audigy 2 ZS... the retail one, the least expensive one... it at least has acceptible sound quality... much better than the audigy 1... much better for games too... and better drivers...

BTW, Dolby Pro Logic is outdated (the latest is Pro Logic II...), since you are using a computer, you don't need it if you use a multimedia system... if you want surround sound with headphones, get the latest windvd or powerdvd and simply set it to use "Dolby Headphone" ... and set the reciever to stereo; don't have it do anything to change the sound, k? Do you own any home theater speakers, or anything for this reciever to drive?


Posted by l0rd_tornado on Dec-01-2003 06:10:

Yes I do, I have 2 Pioneer 15" Speakers that I ran off of it, I also ran 2 Optimus sattelite type speakers for the rears. However, I dont use this set up as I live in a condo, and have a neighbore Just through the wall, and these 2 15" can seriously bring the house down, knocking pictures off the wall, vibrating everything off of tables and etc...heh. I just hooked it up basically just to drive the headphones Im fixing to get, as I remebered how much power it use to deliver from the headphone jack. It is essientally a headphone Amp, atleast it pushes like it.


Also- in the reviews I have seen of the audigy 2, yes it is improved over the original audigy, however, the actual sound quality i dont think has been improved so much so. It merely added alot of new features. I dont see where my audigy has "poor" sound quality though. You got to remember, most of the music I listen to Is going to be Mp3 files...and mp3 files are limited to there bitrate and what not on how well they sound.


Posted by ShadySlim on Dec-01-2003 11:22:

quote:
Originally posted by l0rd_tornado
Also- in the reviews I have seen of the audigy 2, yes it is improved over the original audigy, however, the actual sound quality i dont think has been improved so much so. It merely added alot of new features. I dont see where my audigy has "poor" sound quality though. You got to remember, most of the music I listen to Is going to be Mp3 files...and mp3 files are limited to there bitrate and what not on how well they sound.


Yep, the original Audigy does have "poor" sound quality, as far as playback of 16-bit/44.1kHz digital audio files is concerned. You see, its DSP re-samples everything to 16-bit and 48kHz sampling (but Creative doesn't even tell you this fact), and it uses a horrible interpolation alogarithm in doing such re-sampling. In the case of even regular MP3 playback, they sound even more harsh and gritty than they should have. Unfortunately, there is no way whatsoever around this sucktacular re-sampling with this particular Creative Audigy card -- its DSP is "hard-wired" to 16/48 (but your MP3s are mostly 16/32 or 16/44.1).


Posted by l0rd_tornado on Dec-01-2003 16:43:

Im looking at just going with a headphone amp, im looking at a relatively cheap one - Rolls HA43 4 Output Stereo Headphone Amplifier - Its only about $50us, but I have seen nothing but positive remarks about it from ppl who have purchased it. Anyone have any experiance with this little headphone amp, or any other Rolls amp?


Posted by physe on Dec-01-2003 19:43:

quote:
Originally posted by DjJade
ugh not another headphone thread...use the search button yo





i dont mean to be a jerk but if you see how many threads are about headphones and all the same things that the same people always say... you will know what i mean


Yeah, I know. It is getting somewhat annoying. Maybe we should just make an entire headphone forum. =)


Posted by l0rd_tornado on Dec-01-2003 19:52:

yea or you could just not even click on that topic, and u will never even have to know its there, much less spend time actually leaving a reply! This is a very awesome feature u can employ for Public boards!


Posted by physe on Dec-01-2003 20:16:

There is a headphone sticky thread in the DJ Booth forum. If you look there, there's a ton of information there. I know it's a lot to go sifting through but how bad do you want peoples opinions right? At least there you'll get them without people complaining about how many threads there are on headphones.

I propose we start doing the +1 thing for headphone threads as well.


Posted by MERTON on Dec-01-2003 21:16:

just get the akg k271's with the stefanaudioart.com cable and stfu!


Posted by Gluegun on Dec-02-2003 05:23:

quote:
Originally posted by l0rd_tornado
Yes I do, I have 2 Pioneer 15" Speakers that I ran off of it, I also ran 2 Optimus sattelite type speakers for the rears. However, I dont use this set up as I live in a condo, and have a neighbore Just through the wall, and these 2 15" can seriously bring the house down, knocking pictures off the wall, vibrating everything off of tables and etc...heh. I just hooked it up basically just to drive the headphones Im fixing to get, as I remebered how much power it use to deliver from the headphone jack. It is essientally a headphone Amp, atleast it pushes like it.


Also- in the reviews I have seen of the audigy 2, yes it is improved over the original audigy, however, the actual sound quality i dont think has been improved so much so. It merely added alot of new features. I dont see where my audigy has "poor" sound quality though. You got to remember, most of the music I listen to Is going to be Mp3 files...and mp3 files are limited to there bitrate and what not on how well they sound.


in measureable and subjective sound quality, the Audigy 2 ZS > Audigy 2 > Audigy...

Course, if you want me to back up that statement, I'll have to do some searching and mucking around, which, while I *could* do it, it would be a hassle to... *therefore hopes you'll take it at face value...*


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