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Posted by jon jon on Nov-30-2003 03:35:

Arrow Drama in Montreal (RE: MISS B ARIA)

http://www.canada.com/montreal/stor...D0-3D42CCBD88B8

Who was there? It sounds like quite the mess.

The scene took a hit last night (IMO)

RIP


Posted by j_spot on Nov-30-2003 03:41:

ooh boy..that doesnt sound good at all.


Posted by jon jon on Nov-30-2003 03:43:

paging Skipper


Posted by Endlesswave on Nov-30-2003 03:43:

Damnz, that can't be good. Best of luck to Aria...


Posted by Skipper on Nov-30-2003 03:44:

I was there.

I haven't posted a full review, but the rumor in the club was that there was a scuffle between security and a patron, which resulted in several security guys on top of one man and somehow the patron sustained injuries which lead to his death in hospital later on. However, news reports are calling it a "suspicious death" - that the man went into cardiac arrest at the club and died later in hospital.

The entire thing happened so suddenly, at least for those of us downstairs partying in the main room...it happened upstairs, and we didn't find out anything was wrong until Barbara turned the record off, begged for one last track, threw down "u spin me" (DOA rmx) and that was it. That was at 10:45am (Barbara was scheduled til at least 12 noon) and there were still several hundred people in the main room.

The night up until that point was absolutely amazing though...


Posted by jon jon on Nov-30-2003 03:47:

Given the fact that:
- he was 30
- Montreal has a reputation for obscene drug abuse (re: Speed)
- It was a cardiac arrest
- it was techno

I highly doubt it was a security guard beat down, but rather a heart attack caused by narcotics. (probably speed or blow) In which case, the scene took a hit.

Again, RIP.


Posted by Skipper on Nov-30-2003 03:52:

Jon, those assumptions are garbage! "IT WAS TECHNO" - wtf is that supposed to mean? People are more likely to DIE from doing drugs while they're at a techno party?


Posted by jon jon on Nov-30-2003 03:54:

hahahah actually yeah I was trying to be funny, not the greatest idea considering someone died.

For the record, those are total 100% assumptions


Posted by sohaness on Nov-30-2003 03:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
the rumor in the club was that there was a scuffle between security and a patron, which resulted in several security guys on top of one man


that would lead me to believe that drugs were probably not the only factor in this guys death.

maybe it wasnt a beatdown per se, but having multiple bouncers on top of you doing god knows what would most likely not be a good thing...

RIP

steve.


Posted by Rocco on Nov-30-2003 04:08:

drugs or not..... a man's death in a club is not a good thing

RIP


Posted by jon jon on Nov-30-2003 04:15:

when was the last time you heard of a beat down security guard death!?!

That's all I'm saying.


Posted by sohaness on Nov-30-2003 04:20:

^ i dont think i've ever heard of a beatdown security death...not that i can remember anyway.

anyway, im gonna refrain from making any comments in this thread...too many assumptions at this point, and we all know about assumptions.

ps. jon, shouldnt you be studying for exams?


Posted by malek on Nov-30-2003 06:33:

oh man, my moral is so low now

when I left at 8am, everything was so perfect, one of the best party this year, vibe, sound, crowd, miss b having the time of her life (skipper too ), i didn't want to leave, but was so tired.

I woke up and first thing I learn is the death of a partier, i was (still) shocked. This is not good.

I don't want to make any asumption now because frankly i know so little about it. Moreover, what is the most damageable are those asumptions/rumours carried around in clubland.

there's something I still do not understand about this mishap, these security employees are the nicest i ever met, i cannot imagine how this can happen.

I am still going tonight for acquaviva/carter/lawler but it wont be the same...


RIP


Posted by crazedcanuck on Nov-30-2003 07:32:

I think the "scene took a hit" thing is a little pre-mature.

There have been deaths in TO, and the "scene" keeps on chugging.
(I remeber a man found in the dumpster @ Guvernment in 2000, apparent OD)

A death is always a sad thing, no matter the circumstance, but the scene's health should be the farthest thing from our minds when someone out doing what we all love to do, partying, passes away.

Any speculation about the club and staff's future is best left to see what the investigation turns up, since it isn't common knowledge of what led up to the pile on, or what happened during it.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Nov-30-2003 14:05:

quote:
MONTREAL - Montreal police officers are investigating a suspicious death at an after-hours nightclub on St-Denis Street after a man in his 30s was discovered in cardio-respiratory arrest at 9:30 a.m. today.
According to the police, security staff at club Aria said they had subdued the man after having difficulties with him. After the incident, the man was rushed to hospital where he died 45 minutes later.
An autopsy will be held to determine the cause of the man's death.


That's a pretty lame news report about this.

But I also think that the scene took a hit with this. Aria is the prominent afterhours club in Montreal that brings in the best talent, trance wise and also other genre wise.

Twilo was shut down after one death too.


Posted by Durafei on Nov-30-2003 14:07:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
That's a pretty lame news report about this.

But I also think that the scene took a hit with this. Aria is the prominent afterhours club in Montreal that brings in the best talent, trance wise and also other genre wise.

Twilo was shut down after one death too.


Wasn't some one already killed at Aria some time ago ? Actually it was a week before PVD in April...


Posted by Wurm on Nov-30-2003 14:28:

Worm Popper

Remember, we're supposed to be having fun people, not endangering our lives.

I suspect if security had anything to do with it, they will be hung out to dry. That is unless they stick together, and show some teamwork, boys.

Ugh.

What REALLY happened will probably be forever kept obscured from view behind a haze of bubbles, smoke, lasers, night-time, opposing witnesses unwilling to come forward for fear of a. reprisal or b. exposure to workmates and family. (See my appearance on Global after Stababalloo/Docks 2001.)

Aside from not doing drugs (and by saying that I realize I'm pissing into the wind) the best way to protect yourself at a party is to be there surrounded by friends you know and trust outside of the 'scene' as well as in.

Dunc


Posted by Skipper on Nov-30-2003 15:07:

quote:
Originally posted by ahlamalek
oh man, my moral is so low now

when I left at 8am, everything was so perfect, one of the best party this year, vibe, sound, crowd, miss b having the time of her life (skipper too ), i didn't want to leave, but was so tired.

I woke up and first thing I learn is the death of a partier, i was (still) shocked. This is not good.

I don't want to make any asumption now because frankly i know so little about it. Moreover, what is the most damageable are those asumptions/rumours carried around in clubland.

there's something I still do not understand about this mishap, these security employees are the nicest i ever met, i cannot imagine how this can happen.

I am still going tonight for acquaviva/carter/lawler but it wont be the same...


RIP


*hugs for Malek*

I knew you'd be upset when you found out. It went from being the perfect night to being completely confusing and panicked.

Aria security has always been friendly to me - they seem entirely opposite of, say, the Guvernment staff. People are so quick to assume that security was probably at fault because there are more of them, but I don't think that's what happened here.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Nov-30-2003 15:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
Wasn't some one already killed at Aria some time ago ? Actually it was a week before PVD in April...


There was a death outside of Aria. It was a shooting on an inocent by stander after a person was not let into the club. This is a totally different situation. The person died inside the club.


Posted by bomberMAN on Nov-30-2003 17:54:

hope they dont shut Aria down cuz the security mofo's killed a man! If that is what happened. Who know's what happened there, it all sounds so SHADY!

I do plan to be there on NYE













RIP


Posted by charmscars on Nov-30-2003 18:09:

quote:
Originally posted by bomberMAN
hope they dont shut Aria down cuz the security mofo's killed a man! If that is what happened. Who know's what happened there, it all sounds so SHADY!

I do plan to be there on NYE













RIP


wow. how innapropriate. please refrain from
making these kind of assumptions w/o knowing the details.


RIP

love for malek. i'm sorry


Posted by j_spot on Nov-30-2003 18:10:

since everything but that story is speculation, and even its not official police report, heres my view on it.

*All below is speculation*
buddy was probably high as a kite, some sort of amphetamine I would guess. He was either not looking so good, or caught buying/selling, and the bouncers decided he had to leave. They try to remove him, but he puts up a fight, and bouncer call for help to remove him.
more resistance, and well..fight of flight response, he stays, gets piled on, and then wham..his heart cant take it, they get off him, only to realize something is really wrong, and send him to the hospital, where he died of cardiac arrest
*/end of my speculation*

I cant see bouncers 'beating down' somebody, maybe a lil roughed up until they get ahold of him, and get an arm lock, bearhug or whatever. Its all tragic, but I dont think you can assign blame to anybody, its not the clubs fault, nor is it the bouncers fault, I mean, at most I almost think its the dead guys fault. Ive never seen a bouncer pile onto an innocent guy.
either way, I feel sorry for everybody involved, Aria, its employees, the dead guy and his family.

Hopefully some light will come to the subject soon


Posted by bucky on Nov-30-2003 18:16:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Twilo was shut down after one death too.

Twilo was shut down for more reasons than just "one death." In fact all the other reasons besides the death probably were the root cause to it closing.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Nov-30-2003 18:19:

quote:
Originally posted by bucky
Twilo was shut down for more reasons than just "one death." In fact all the other reasons besides the death probably were the root cause to it closing.


well as far as i know that rudy was trying to close it down for a while and the death just caused a giant spiral of events to occur.

and twilo was shut down on a technicality. not renewing a fire inspecition permit. very lame. more beurocratic controls.


Posted by loca on Nov-30-2003 18:44:

quote:
Originally posted by j_spot


*All below is speculation*
buddy was probably high as a kite, some sort of amphetamine I would guess. He was either not looking so good, or caught buying/selling, and the bouncers decided he had to leave. They try to remove him, but he puts up a fight, and bouncer call for help to remove him.
more resistance, and well..fight of flight response, he stays, gets piled on, and then wham..his heart cant take it, they get off him, only to realize something is really wrong, and send him to the hospital, where he died of cardiac arrest
*/end of my speculation*



That's kind of what i was thinking too.
It's tragic that these kind of incidents happen but i really don't think we can blame the bouncers. I would think most "club deaths" or "accidents" are due to overuse/misuse of a drug.
I know recently here we had an incident where a kid ripped one of his eyes out because "there were rats inside his head". A lot people thought the scene would take a hit here because of that but it didn't really end up affecting it all that much. We don't even have tough security checks at the entrance of clubs, and the club itself did not close either.
Hopefully everything will be sorted out with Aria and i do hope they wouldn't close the club because of that

Regardless i hope his family members are okay, and wish the best to all the Aria employees and hope the repercussions aren't too serious.

RIP


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