when a hardware newbie askes... reason+hardware?

TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Production Studio
-- when a hardware newbie askes... reason+hardware?

Posted by warrior1503 on Dec-01-2003 16:27:

when a hardware newbie askes... reason+hardware?

Hi!

well, let me introduce myself to you at first
i am mixing and producing for about 2 years now.

my current music tool is reason 2.5! i get along with that quite good so far, but i am not satisfied with the sound quality of the synths. they are too thin or sound to digital, not warm enough although i added reverbs, filters etc.

so my question is: is it possible to run a hardware synth like the roland jp 8080 or anything like that with reason 2.5 ?
i wanna combine reason with hardware.
or is it just possible to add a keyboard midi controller?

and if it is possible, which soundcard do you recommend me (for about 100-200 �) ?
... because i don't have a real midi input at the moment.

and what hardware synth do you recommend me? anything good and less expensive than the roland jp 8080? other roland products? or clones?!

or do i have to learn to work with cubase or prologic. i want to circumvent this, cuz i'm lucky to handle reason (and all my produced stuff is saved as *.rns) *G*

thank you for your support!

greetz warrior15o3

Posted by moth on Dec-01-2003 18:56:

If im not mistaken, reason doesnt work with hard synths. This is really just a guess. You might need to start using Logic. yuck...

If you don't like the Reason synths, why not start using some VSTs ? Absynth, FM7, Pro-53, Atmosphere, Mercury 1, Junglist are all really great synths.

Posted by BumpinTitaniums on Dec-01-2003 18:57:

I think you can wire up hardware synths with the MIDI Out... this appears at the top of your rack. I really have no idea how it works since I don't own any hardware myself but you should have a few PDF files in your reason group that explain it... I would help you more but I erase everything off my computer the other day and still haven't reinstalled everything.

Posted by Vert on Dec-01-2003 19:19:

quote:
Originally posted by moth
If im not mistaken, reason doesnt work with hard synths. This is really just a guess. You might need to start using Logic. yuck...

If you don't like the Reason synths, why not start using some VSTs ? Absynth, FM7, Pro-53, Atmosphere, Mercury 1, Junglist are all really great synths.

I don't think reason supports VSTs..

es

Posted by azior on Dec-01-2003 19:46:

quote:
Originally posted by BumpinTitaniums
I think you can wire up hardware synths with the MIDI Out... this appears at the top of your rack.

reason only has midi in, so if you want to control external synths you should rewire with cubase or logic...

Posted by warrior1503 on Dec-02-2003 12:36:

ok, thank you guys!

so i got to learn the cubase stuff. i hope my knowledge about reason helps me to get into cubase easier.
i already read the thread about VSTs. very interesting! good work

do those VSTs include soundbanks? stupid question i guess, but hey.. ^^

is it possible to extract my reason soundbank so i can take some waves samples at least with cubase?

still the question is: which soundcard do you recommend me *g*

greetz warri0r15o3

Posted by moth on Dec-02-2003 21:13:

Reason 2.5 supposts VSTs. 2.0 Does not.

Posted by azior on Dec-02-2003 21:43:

quote:
Originally posted by moth
Reason 2.5 supposts VSTs. 2.0 Does not.

erm... i don't think i ever heard anyone say that reason 2.5 supports VST, so you are the first to say this! so explain how it works, how can anyone add VST's without ReWire (which also works in 2.0)?

and warrior1503: you don't have to copy your reason soundbanks, rewire works in a different way: both programs run at the exact same time and speed, so the sounds you sequenced in reason and the sounds you sequenced in cubase will both be heard...

Posted by warrior1503 on Dec-02-2003 21:45:

interesting thing...

ReWire... how? where? what?

i know what it is meant by rewire: http://www.propellerheads.se/products/rewire/

but i donno how to handle that o_O is there a special rewire function integrated in a VST synth?

Posted by Vert on Dec-02-2003 22:16:

quote:
Originally posted by moth
Reason 2.5 supposts VSTs. 2.0 Does not.

Care to proof it? (link etc..)

es

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Dec-02-2003 22:34:

quote:
Originally posted by moth
Reason 2.5 supposts VSTs. 2.0 Does not.

How about no.

Posted by Cryogenic on Dec-03-2003 08:55:

quote:
Originally posted by moth
Reason 2.5 supposts VSTs. 2.0 Does not.

Oh the ignorance.

Posted by azior on Dec-03-2003 09:50:

quote:
Originally posted by warrior1503
but i donno how to handle that o_O is there a special rewire function integrated in a VST synth?

rewire is between programs, not VST's... so you run your VST's in cubase and your subtractors in reason, and rewire makes them run synced... i advice you to read about it, and try it yourself...

Posted by warrior1503 on Dec-03-2003 11:09:

okay i'll try ... thanks

Posted by Tom_cowan on Dec-03-2003 17:05:

To use rewire first run cubase then reason, reason will automaticly go into rewire mode and all of reasons 64 outputs get fed into cubase. Turn them on in cubase and uv got 64 reason tracks u can put vsts over n whatever. My advice though wouldnt be to get hardware, i know coz i did the reason cubase thing with an access virus n its good but not really worth it. Get the new beta version of fruity loops. Its got rewire support and is loads easier to use than cubase. I hate cubase by the way, its shit. Get logic if you wana run hardware n just fuck off reason all together. Anyway if you get the new floops then you get 64 reason tracks in fruity loops yet you can run vsts easily and efficently. You dont need hardware, trust me, just vsts. Although i know people who can make really good patches for the subtractor in reason it just doesnt really cut it and basicly its 2 or 3 years old now so you'l find it alot harder to do something which hasnt been done with it before. Whereas vsts the options are endless, the new ones are just as good if not better than hardware just because of ease of use. If youv used software up until now i wouldnt advise changing. Thats what i think anyway.

Posted by Trancevision on Dec-03-2003 21:53:

quote:
my current music tool is reason 2.5! i get along with that quite good so far, but i am not satisfied with the sound quality of the synths. they are too thin or sound to digital, not warm enough although i added reverbs, filters etc

how some people do it:

1. Buy / Borrow a hardware synth

2. Multisample your favourite sounds without reverb and delay and load them into Reason NN19 / NNXT.

3. Now you can use the sounds in Reason, only the quality of Reason filters and fx devices might not in every case as good as your hardware synth.

Trancevision