The Lead Synth From Armin's Remix Of Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes

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Posted by trancenrg69 on Dec-03-2003 03:58:

The Lead Synth From Armin's Remix Of Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes

Hey I have a favour to ask for a friend. He really loves the lead synth in the Armin Remix of "As The Rush Comes". I know how you guys love a challenge. Anyone wanna give it a shot using software?

Posted by J.L. on Dec-03-2003 04:57:

i'm not sure which one you are talking about... but i'm assuming it's the one that plays the notes G and B???

It sounds to my ears to be either a detuned pulse/triangle/sine wave synth... with 100% attack very low decay, low sustain and low release

and then with some added delays at the end

i will try to follow up on that and make my own version if i can

Posted by J.L. on Dec-03-2003 06:38:

ok.. here's a really shitty attempt at it...

here

i can't seem to get the delays right...

Posted by Sean Walsh on Dec-03-2003 17:30:

Be more specific please. Do you mean the big epic pad?

Posted by Passiva on Dec-03-2003 17:41:

I think he means the supersaw in the takeoff..

Posted by trancenrg69 on Dec-03-2003 18:17:

The Pad , That Piercing Pad Sound.

Posted by Sean Walsh on Dec-03-2003 18:52:

http://flamevault.com/~celerity/supersaw%20pad.mp3

Made with Atmosphere and filtered white noise in about 135 seconds.

Posted by State of Matter on Dec-03-2003 19:40:

^ That just won't do Sorry, just not thick enough. I made these pads a long long time ago with pro 53.

http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/elec...er/avbremix.mp3

Posted by Sean Walsh on Dec-03-2003 20:28:

Your example sounds nice, but it also has a lowpass filter, a bass pad, and reverb. Mine was totally dry, and if put into the rest of the mix (armin's synth never plays without the underlying track) it would sound pretty much identical.

Posted by trancenrg69 on Dec-03-2003 21:58:

Wow! State of Matter, Amazing! that's exactly what I was looking for. Very well done Can u post the patch , or maybe email it to me. [email protected] thanks Thank you to everyone who tried.

Posted by State of Matter on Dec-03-2003 22:13:

quote:
Originally posted by dj-sean
Your example sounds nice, but it also has a lowpass filter, a bass pad, and reverb. Mine was totally dry, and if put into the rest of the mix (armin's synth never plays without the underlying track) it would sound pretty much identical.

Right before the main part he plays the bass supersaw pad, which sounds really really thick, that's what i've added to make the difference.

It's nothing against you, the patch from atmosphere was probably meant for softer pads rather than a huge epic lead sound. It sounds like maybe a 2 voice (1 voice x 2 oscilators) saw pad vs the 24 voice (12 voices x 2 oscilators) pad that I used. But still, its a nice sound, don't get me wrong. Didn't mean to offend you

To the original poster: I don't give out my presets because i put a lot of time into them, and i use a lot of fx and stuff that goes beyond just the patch to get the sound. If everybody gave out their patches, nobody would have unique sounds anymore. I will tell you how to make it yourself though and you'll get a lot more satisfaction, and some synth programming knowledge. Give me a little bit and ill write the tutorial.

Posted by trancenrg69 on Dec-03-2003 22:45:

I understand State of Matter. If you can pst a tutorial that would be super nice of you. Thanks

Posted by Sean Walsh on Dec-03-2003 22:50:

quote:
Originally posted by State of Matter
Right before the main part he plays the bass supersaw pad, which sounds really really thick, that's what i've added to make the difference.

It's nothing against you, the patch from atmosphere was probably meant for softer pads rather than a huge epic lead sound. It sounds like maybe a 2 voice (1 voice x 2 oscilators) saw pad vs the 24 voice (12 voices x 2 oscilators) pad that I used. But still, its a nice sound, don't get me wrong. Didn't mean to offend you

To the original poster: I don't give out my presets because i put a lot of time into them, and i use a lot of fx and stuff that goes beyond just the patch to get the sound. If everybody gave out their patches, nobody would have unique sounds anymore. I will tell you how to make it yourself though and you'll get a lot more satisfaction, and some synth programming knowledge. Give me a little bit and ill write the tutorial.

I'd have to be pretty sensitive to take offense to criticism on an audio clip that took me 2 minutes to make =)

And yeah, you're right about the bass pad being in there; makes a lot of difference.

Posted by J.L. on Dec-03-2003 23:59:

quote:
Originally posted by dj-sean
I'd have to be pretty sensitive to take offense to criticism on an audio clip that took me 2 minutes to make =)

And yeah, you're right about the bass pad being in there; makes a lot of difference.

yes, but you still had to render it, and upload it to the internet.. therefore taking you longer than 2 minutes

Posted by Sean Walsh on Dec-04-2003 00:13:

bah, 3.5 minutes total, max =P

Since the last clip really didn't do Atmosphere justice, I decided to take 20 minutes to make this instead:

http://flamevault.com/~celerity/supersaw_pads.mp3

This is VERY close to what Armin has going on.

Posted by EliPsE on Dec-04-2003 00:17:

I wanna see this tutorial. I am terrible at making synth/pads sounds.

Posted by Etherium on Dec-04-2003 01:07:

Just to add to all of this, it has long been an industry, and by industry I mean the entire music industry, secret to use a low-frequency bass pad from the Roland Juno-106 to give a pad that extra heft. That not saying you have to get a 106 at all, but it really is used by more than a few producers to make that bottom end huge. Just FYI and by no means is this the only way to give a pad hugeness.

Posted by State of Matter on Dec-04-2003 01:16:

^ Bass pads are the key to huge pads, as he said. Its just a long sustained bass note that follows the same progression as your bassline so its not really audible when you've got the bassline over top of it, but it makes a huge difference in how the main pad is supported.

Posted by Sean Walsh on Dec-04-2003 01:31:

Yep yep.

Posted by Etherium on Dec-04-2003 01:35:

SOM, do you typically use a bass pad when you have your bassline going, or just in a breakdown and intro and outro? I've been wondering about this.

Posted by State of Matter on Dec-04-2003 01:42:

I use a bass pad during breakdowns always, and sometimes during the main theme depending on the massiveness of the track. Sometimes a bass pad can make a gentle song sound too huge during the main section.

Posted by trancenrg69 on Dec-04-2003 01:48:

I'm confused as too what you mean by a basspad. Do you mean when your playing a chord , you add another note to the pad that plays at the same octave as your bassline?

Posted by J.L. on Dec-04-2003 02:36:

he means by basically having a low note of bass frequencies...

one thing you have to be extremely careful with those is that they don't interfere with the same frequencies as the bassline...

Posted by Sean Walsh on Dec-04-2003 02:41:

Etherium, basspads can definitely be used in the main part of the track, just have to be careful that it doesn't clash too much with the actual bassline. I generally like to filter the main part of my bassline at around 200-300hz, and have a sub-bass in the 60-80hz range going with that. That would leave ample space for any basspad to occupy. Usually it just gets drowned out though so I don't bother, unless it's a phat sounding one like armin has where if you listen carefully enough, you can actually hear that he has it going along with his bassline too.

Posted by en2t on Dec-04-2003 05:13:

Try....

this

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