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Posted by Scottaculous on Dec-04-2003 16:25:

Question Why is dance music dominated by males?

There is no arguing that dance music the vast majority of people in the scene: DJ, producer, audience are male. It seems to me there is a bigger difference between the sexes in dance than other genres of music.

Here is my evidence:
* The top 100 dj list there are less than 5 female DJs. 4 if E-Vangelist counted right. ;-)

* Look at the dance floor. Mostly males.


Enlighten me.


Posted by Floorfiller on Dec-04-2003 16:28:

well...you guest it...the dance community is really just a bunch of closet (and some out of the closet) homosexuals....




























actually i think that if a girl dj really rocked she could become quite popular


Posted by goose_wh on Dec-04-2003 16:45:

well the electronic music scene did originate out of gay clubs into the mainstream.

but i dont think that has a lot to do with it these days.

maybe dance music doesnt seem as glamourous to females as other genres e.g R & B etc.?


Posted by Scottaculous on Dec-04-2003 16:51:

I don't want to seem stereotypical but all the electronics maybe intimidate females as well.


Posted by Orko on Dec-04-2003 16:59:

i have always wondered the same thing. But its not just dance music, it seems music in general. Yes i know there are a ton of female artists out there, but there are just as many, if not more male artists.

If you look at bands, most of them consist of males. The female is the singer, but males like to use tools (intruments) and females like to use their voices. More female bands are coming out yes, but still its dominated by males.

My only explaination is that you have to look back at the cave man. Males used tools do their work, hunt. Women used their voices to build relationships, hence why women are more social and better equiped to care for children. All throughout time men have played with tools, all the greatest scientists, inventors, have been males. I know some of that is due to males limiting female intervention, but you cant chalk it all up to that.

Even in the production area, its always males who are at the top of the game. I think males are just more comfortable using tools, or instruments, because of evolution.

Hope i didnt offend any females out there.


Posted by Ste on Dec-04-2003 16:59:

some men like to pose and look cool, some men dont

most women like to pose and look cool/ or chat

you cant really do that much to trance.


Posted by Floorfiller on Dec-04-2003 17:02:

i think that the female djs out there really play the type of music that we like on this site...i think most of them play house or dnb or stuff like that...and the ones that do play other stuff play cheese...well...i don't really know...i can't speak for all female djs out there, but i don't think that is too unrealistic???


Posted by Clyde77 on Dec-04-2003 17:02:

hmm we're just cool


Posted by zarathustra on Dec-04-2003 17:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
i have always wondered the same thing. But its not just dance music, it seems music in general. Yes i know there are a ton of female artists out there, but there are just as many, if not more male artists.

If you look at bands, most of them consist of males. The female is the singer, but males like to use tools (intruments) and females like to use their voices. More female bands are coming out yes, but still its dominated by males.

My only explaination is that you have to look back at the cave man. Males used tools do their work, hunt. Women used their voices to build relationships, hence why women are more social and better equiped to care for children. All throughout time men have played with tools, all the greatest scientists, inventors, have been males. I know some of that is due to males limiting female intervention, but you cant chalk it all up to that.

Even in the production area, its always males who are at the top of the game. I think males are just more comfortable using tools, or instruments, because of evolution.

Hope i didnt offend any females out there.


This must have something to do with it. I have always wondered the same thing myself. One of the only female DJs I've seen is DJ Irene...


Posted by Scottaculous on Dec-04-2003 17:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
i have always wondered the same thing. But its not just dance music, it seems music in general. Yes i know there are a ton of female artists out there, but there are just as many, if not more male artists.

If you look at bands, most of them consist of males. The female is the singer, but males like to use tools (intruments) and females like to use their voices. More female bands are coming out yes, but still its dominated by males.

My only explaination is that you have to look back at the cave man. Males used tools do their work, hunt. Women used their voices to build relationships, hence why women are more social and better equiped to care for children. All throughout time men have played with tools, all the greatest scientists, inventors, have been males. I know some of that is due to males limiting female intervention, but you cant chalk it all up to that.

Even in the production area, its always males who are at the top of the game. I think males are just more comfortable using tools, or instruments, because of evolution.

Hope i didnt offend any females out there.


That's a good thought but what about the dance floor? There are more females than males in the world yet if you goto any big DJ party, the demographics still lean vastly towards males.

DJ Rap, DJ Irene and Suzy Solar are the only females DJs I have experience with.


Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Dec-04-2003 18:17:

Females are a vocal creature. Trance or EDM in general doesn't contain enough vocal material to satisfy their musical needs. There are the few exceptions though.


Posted by jdjd on Dec-04-2003 18:25:

who the hell knows why girls generally dont like electronic music... its like asking why the computer industry is dominated by males...

though my guess is that electronic music is not very sexual, more intellectual


Posted by Zombie0729 on Dec-04-2003 18:45:

quote:
Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025
Females are a vocal creature. Trance or EDM in general doesn't contain enough vocal material to satisfy their musical needs. There are the few exceptions though.


u got it on the nose... woman need the vocals, especially to sing along to. Instrumental art is very hard for woman to grasp they think emotions are normally expressed through words; where as men feel much different about the subject. I just think woman are becoming more & more social and men are not... that is why there is a huge gap in sex with accordance to dance music.


Posted by Shad0wmaster on Dec-04-2003 19:00:

i agree w/ the females are more vocal thing...when me and my friend Crystal go to clubs we always go to clubs playing house and trance...and she always complains about how there are no words and she needs words to follow along with the song...


Posted by Streakfury on Dec-04-2003 19:23:

Re: Why is dance music dominanted by males?

quote:
Originally posted by Scottaculous
* Look at the dance floor. Mostly males.


Hehe, yeah it's wierd, especially as the general stereotypical male can't dance

The whole vocal effort does seem to be a big thing with the ladies, but who knows why?? Girls i've chatted to about it say that they prefer R'n'B over things like trance because it's made to make you dance slowly, which in their eyes, is far more sexy than two or three hundred sweaty men galavanting around like hooligans to a pumpin' beat.

Personally though, I'd much rather see a cyber-chick glowing to the max and giving it her all on the dancefloor (sweaty or not), than watch a load of girls surrounded by apes who look like they're trying desperately to climb on them (i.e dancing to Hip Hop/Rap)


Posted by Shad0wmaster on Dec-04-2003 19:34:

Re: Re: Why is dance music dominanted by males?

quote:
Originally posted by Streakfury
Personally though, I'd much rather see a cyber-chick glowing to the max and giving it her all on the dancefloor (sweaty or not), than watch a load of girls surrounded by apes who look like they're trying desperately to climb on them (i.e dancing to Hip Hop/Rap)





so true...trance/house dancing seems to me to be a lot more free than hip-hop dancing...if i'm in a club where they're playing hip-hop i always feel as if there's only one acceptable way to dance (the 'sexy' way which white guys can't do), but in a trance situation it feels like it's okay to dance in any way you want and nobody's gonna care (probably cause everyones been droppin too many e's, but it's all good )


Posted by slinkyhead on Dec-04-2003 19:46:

and the most well known/biggest female djs are hard house djs

Lisa Lashes, Anne Savage, Lisa Pin-Up

i could easily name 5 or 10 female HH djs but probably only a couple of female trance djs. Bizzare


Posted by Digital Aura on Dec-04-2003 22:46:

Behold, my arse. i noticed that...

... most garbage collectors now-adays are also male. um...yup..actually, never seen a girl garbageman.



Coincidence??

I don't think so.


Posted by raveed on Dec-04-2003 22:49:

girls r 2 looks concious me thinks ... when they go out they always wondering whose checking them out and like to conduct themselves in a dignified manner ... i guess they prefer bumping and grinding over letting your hair lose cuz hey y do u think girls r always running to the bathroom at clubs ... its 2 check that their hair is still intact ... ..and ofcourse the fact that trance is stereotyped to drugs doesnt help the male cause either... just my 2 cents


Posted by sly on Dec-04-2003 22:50:

If female DJS/producers were more prominent, I wouldn't mind it since girls are cute However, I think female DJs would commercial trance. No skimpy clothings or flaunting big busty breast please, just make good music! I can imagine it now, a half-naked female DJ spinning while all the people pay NO attention to the music but all eyes are on her jiggling b00bs


Posted by sly on Dec-04-2003 22:53:

Re: i noticed that...

quote:
Originally posted by Digital Aura
... most garbage collectors now-adays are also male. um...yup..actually, never seen a girl garbageman.



Coincidence??

I don't think so.


Hahaha.

Its because female trash collectors would get hit on every stop!


Posted by slinkyhead on Dec-04-2003 22:57:

quote:
Originally posted by sly
I can imagine it now, a half-naked female DJ spinning while all the people pay NO attention to the music but all eyes are on her jiggling b00bs


there's a female dj that spins topless can't rememebr her name tho.
i guess she has to show her tits to make up for her lack of talent!


Posted by webmeister on Dec-04-2003 23:12:

quote:
Originally posted by slinkyhead
there's a female dj that spins topless can't rememebr her name tho.
i guess she has to show her tits to make up for her lack of talent!


Portia Surreal

I think in Australia we don't have the same discrepancy that you guys seem to have .. I can think straightaway of several female trance DJs (Miss Mel, Amber Savage, Bexta), though most of them spin hard trance

However, in Sydney our main local trance night is fairly evenly split .. most of the time it's probably 65% male / %35 female, but that seems better than most of what you guys get?

Prog events get a lot more girls than trance events though, and breaks/house events get even more again....


Posted by trance_is_it on Dec-04-2003 23:33:

quote:
Originally posted by: Ste
some men like to pose and look cool, some men dont
most women like to pose and look cool/ or chat
you cant really do that much to trance.


I do agree with you there and I would also have to add to it that girls tend to be influence by the trends or what's in fashion at the moment, I would bet you any money that girls would like trance more if it was the mainstream or if it's trendy, also girls seems to like cheesey music more than anything else, why do you think Celin Dion and Brittany Spears or Nsync or every other cheesey poppy group or singer is so popular?, and also I think that intelligence has something to do with it too, I think it's a lot harder to understand a form of music that has no words to tell you what to do(trance) than a form of music that the guy tells how much he loves you and want to be with you (just buy my CD) or the girls tells you that she understands how feel about the guy who you love just dumped you on your ass but she knows this is the the best because you will find someone else who will love you even more and that you will be with him forever in the end, can trance do all that? NO! trance does speak to me and alot of you in many different ways but not like "teen pop", cheesey pop or R&B can.


Posted by mndeg on Dec-05-2003 00:45:

because women are trendy and trance isn't trendy
and a lot of trance listeners found out about the genre from the internet, and males probably use the interweb more than females


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