Pablo Gargano-Arcana = Second Sun-Crush?

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Posted by VisionsofPVD on Dec-09-2003 20:42:

Pablo Gargano-Arcana = Second Sun-Crush?

I was listening to a recent PVD set when I realized that Pablo Gargano's Arcana has a strikingly similar melody to Second Sun-Crush...has anyone else realized this? I also remember Paul playing Arcana followed by a remix of Crush at the most recent gig here in NY and at that moment, I thought he was playing 2 mixes of Crush back-to-back....

Have a listen..and state your opinon..

Posted by Scottaculous on Dec-09-2003 20:44:

Hey Suneel. The two melodies are very similar indeed. Perhaps Pablo borrowed parts of the melody and made something more to his liking.

Posted by arturob on Dec-09-2003 20:48:

you guys have no ear...

Posted by Scottaculous on Dec-09-2003 20:54:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
you guys have no ear...

if you can't hear the similarities, you need to open yours -->

Posted by arturob on Dec-09-2003 21:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Scottaculous
if you can't hear the similarities, you need to open yours -->

heh.

mine are very well open. i just dont hear the similaritie. arcana is very mellow and and kinda dull. dont like it that much. but crush, omfg. <3 for life! heh.

Posted by Pio on Dec-09-2003 21:02:

I hear the similarities but I guess they're just a trivial product of the formulaic trance-making process. There is no such thing as an 'original' melody in the 21st century.

Posted by arturob on Dec-09-2003 21:04:

oh yessssssss. NU NRG!

Posted by Technaut on Dec-09-2003 21:30:

can't say i had noticed. infact the thought never even crossed my mind

Posted by Sgus on Dec-09-2003 21:48:

i don't find any similarity....i love them both...really good tracks.May be the sample that it's being used from the producers are similar,but i don't think the melodies.i heard so many times these two tracks to find any similarities but i couldn't.

Posted by VisionsofPVD on Dec-09-2003 23:29:

To be more specific, its just one portion of the main melody that is similar to Crush...if you have the Adrenaline Rush hour mix by PvD, listen between 16:15 and 16:55.... this buildup melody has almost the exact same chords as Crush!

Scott, I'm glad you hear it! I know I wasn't losing my aural abilities!

Posted by sandstorm03 on Dec-10-2003 00:02:

i hear it also

Posted by umes23 on Dec-10-2003 00:46:

hehehe. i know exactly what you are referringto, and those chords have very similar rhythm and length but the melody itself that comes from whatever notes are played is most definitely not the same as crush.

it is a trivial similarity that by no means is likely to have been itentional or borrowed/jacked

Posted by umes23 on Dec-10-2003 00:47:

quote:
Originally posted by YaleTrance
I hear the similarities but I guess they're just a trivial product of the formulaic trance-making process. There is no such thing as an 'original' melody in the 21st century.

that is true to a large extent. hence the producers pioneer their own list of sounds to make their tracks distinct.

Posted by arturob on Dec-10-2003 01:21:

quote:
Originally posted by VisionsofPVD
To be more specific, its just one portion of the main melody that is similar to Crush...if you have the Adrenaline Rush hour mix by PvD, listen between 16:15 and 16:55.... this buildup melody has almost the exact same chords as Crush!

Scott, I'm glad you hear it! I know I wasn't losing my aural abilities!

no way!! it sounds not so alike. crush melodie its so much better than this

Posted by Excite on Dec-10-2003 04:48:

you're right it should be a Pablo Gargano remix of Crush.

Posted by wushuboy on Dec-10-2003 05:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Excite
you're right it should be a Pablo Gargano remix of Crush.

my thoughts exactly... this was the track everyone thought was the new second sun remix of crush.. blah

Posted by umes23 on Dec-10-2003 07:31:

quote:
Originally posted by wushuboy
my thoughts exactly... this was the track everyone thought was the new second sun remix of crush.. blah

there is no second sun remix of crush that was played at roxy! i knew i couldn't have missed it. and since this melody just does not strike me as the same, i didn't.

let's leave Mr. Gargano alone, he does not have anything to do with crush.

second sun don't need to remix crush, their original was great... i dont think pvd should have used his version for his own album.

Posted by VisionsofPVD on Dec-10-2003 16:20:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
no way!! it sounds not so alike. crush melodie its so much better than this

My point has nothing to do with which one is better, thats up to the listener, but there is a similarity b/w this portion of the melody..thats all...why else would people think that there was a mix of Crush being played by PvD?

Posted by go_strider on Dec-10-2003 17:09:

quote:
Originally posted by VisionsofPVD
My point has nothing to do with which one is better, thats up to the listener, but there is a similarity b/w this portion of the melody..thats all...why else would people think that there was a mix of Crush being played by PvD?

exactly, it sounds immensely similar, you could easily drop an acapella of crush over this (if it existed) around 4 min 58. if you cant recognise this theres nay hope for ya.

Posted by umes23 on Dec-10-2003 17:19:

anyone can "recognize" the similarity.

my point is that its just not the same. somebody can probably give you the musical notes without thinking and prove teh melody, although it might sound the same, is in actuality quite different. its easy to hear similarities like this, it takes a better listening to understand why they are NOT the same.

and to me since the first time i heard arcana, its just not Crush and doesnt have anything to do with it.

Posted by go_strider on Dec-10-2003 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by umes23
anyone can "recognize" the similarity.

some are findin this difficult.

i agree with everythin your sayin tho.

Posted by umes23 on Dec-10-2003 21:20:

quote:
Originally posted by go_strider
some are findin this difficult.

i agree with everythin your sayin tho.

Thank God somebody does!

Posted by VisionsofPVD on Dec-10-2003 21:52:

quote:
Originally posted by umes23
anyone can "recognize" the similarity.

my point is that its just not the same. somebody can probably give you the musical notes without thinking and prove teh melody, although it might sound the same, is in actuality quite different. its easy to hear similarities like this, it takes a better listening to understand why they are NOT the same.

and to me since the first time i heard arcana, its just not Crush and doesnt have anything to do with it.

Of course after listening to it actively, rather than passively, (as was the case when I heard Arcana Live at Roxy) there are major differences..but just that one stretch of the melody...I'm sure Pablo Gargano didn't intend on it, but its just amazing that there are endless amounts of melodies to create, yet, two artists (or groups) were able to come up with something quite similar...thats what was interesting to me...

Posted by umes23 on Dec-10-2003 22:15:

quote:
Originally posted by VisionsofPVD
its just amazing that there are endless amounts of melodies to create, yet, two artists (or groups) were able to come up with something quite similar...thats what was interesting to me...

happens a lot in trance, to quote a different perspective from YaleTrance:

I guess they're just a trivial product of the formulaic trance-making process. There is no such thing as an 'original' melody in the 21st century

fact is, a trance melody just cannot have endless possibilities because of the structure of the music and how it builds. this is of course because this music is based on repetition, thus there are so many different styles of melodies, and as soon as they overlap, you get such coincidences. its not like rock music or classical music in that once it reaches a point, the music will build and progress but it won't take a different direction. a certain pattern becomes the core of the track and everything else works around and towards it.