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Gay Marrages

Whos up for it , what does everyone think about homosexuals, and they're place in society today

other then besides the fact that you are a homosexual.. i think they're great

Although homosexuals perfer the same sex, which personally I don't, they are still human and should be treated as such.

Hmmm, I do believe I posted about this a while ago.

I went to a gay rights meeting for one of my lectures, and they informed me about some interesting statistics on why Gay's want the right of marraige. Upon marrying someone, you insure yourself 1,500 additional rights to you and your spouse. The alternative that gays are given, grants them a whopping fifteen extra rights.

A gay couple cannot make any decisions for thier significant other, they cannot decide what happens to the body or the way the person is buried or where they are put whatsoever.

This is why they are pushing for the marraiges.

They should be treated as human beings, not freaks. You can't help who you love. (Or for that matter, what sex you love)

I'm for gays aren't human

gay mariages? -> NO

gay civil union? -> ok so they can STFU all right.

child adoption and other stuff to make them look normal? -> NO

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Originally posted by ahlamalek gay mariages? -> NO gay civil union? -> ok so they can STFU all right. child adoption and other stuff to make them look normal? -> NO

Did you not just read what I wrote? The reason why gays want marraiges and not that so called honor of having a "civil union" is because of rights.

What do you have against gays? Their attraction to the same sex? What makes a gay person less human than a straight? Or less "normal" as you put it? Who they love?

What happened to "You can't help who you fall in love with"? Or, is there a hidden rule in there? "You can't help who you fall in love with, that is, unless it's the same sex, then we are going to discriminate you, alienate you, take away all your rights, laugh at you in the street, kill you, and make your life a living hell".

Yea, that sounds about right.

You're ignorant if you think that someone is not "normal" simply because they like the same sex. (Sorry for the name calling, but it's the truth).

*edit* Not to keep rambling, but comments like that truly make me furious. Actually, it makes me simply livid.

Here we are, in this little forum, arguing day in and day out about the latest topics and discrimination, battling arguments about Saddam, World Leaders, and so much more, and yet, some of you still can't admit to yourselves that a gay is as much as a normal person as you are.

For example, what would you do, if someone you grew up with, say a brother, admitted to you when he was, *throws out a number* 23, that he was gay. Are you going to shun him? Treat him as though he's a freak? Disown your own family? Simply because of his sexual preference?

When someone says they are gay, that means they are standing up for their rights and beliefs. Letting the world know what they believe in, fully knowing the comments they will recieve. I applaud their courage, and you egg on the discrimination. Fantastic for you, give yourself a pat on the back.

The colour of someone's skin, their heritage, their culture, their beliefs, and their sexual preference should not matter. These not "normal" people, are just like you. They are a person in the world, trying to make the money, and live their lives. What does the fact that their gay, have to do with anything?

Does that mean that they are less eligible for the job? Suddenly, are they going to create problems by simply being in the same room? Are they criminals? No, No, and oh yea, No.

Get over your fears and eliminate this bias.

Hell yes, give them the same rights as everyone else.

btw, i'm talking about civil marriges here, I don't give a stuff about ones sanctioned by religion, they mean nothing to me.

err married or not they can be both together if they want to. they still take it up each other's ass

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Originally posted by Clyde77 err married or not they can be both together if they want to. they still take it up each other's ass

That isn't the point. They are denied the right that so called 'normal' couples are given, as anuneventrade documented in her post above.

And I don't see what them 'take it up each other's ass' has to do with anything. Seems to me that you might have a slight problem with homophobia.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Did you not just read what I wrote? The reason why gays want marraiges

yeah i read that and understand fully, but I don't have to agree with you

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Or less "normal" as you put it?

the way they act in public (still have those images engraved in my brain from their last parade)

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What happened to "You can't help who you fall in love with"? Or, is there a hidden rule in there? "You can't help who you fall in love with, that is, unless it's the same sex, then we are going to discriminate you, alienate you, take away all your rights, laugh at you in the street, kill you, and make your life a living hell".

hey relax there, no one is taking their rights. All they wants is some extra rights that belong only to couples as it was intended to be.

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Yea, that sounds about right.

not really

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You're ignorant if you think that someone is not "normal" simply because they like the same sex. (Sorry for the name calling, but it's the truth).

actually no, i can have my own opinions and not be brain washed by some organizations like you(Sorry for the name calling, but it's the truth).

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*edit* Not to keep rambling, but comments like that truly make me furious. Actually, it makes me simply livid.

you must be really cute all furious send some pics

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Here we are, in this little forum, arguing day in and day out about the latest topics and discrimination, battling arguments about Saddam, World Leaders, and so much more, and yet, some of you still can't admit to yourselves that a gay is as much as a normal person as you are.

who said the gay issue should be AN ISSUE? Govt and media gives way too much attention to them, there's more important problems in western societies.

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For example, what would you do, if someone you grew up with, say a brother, admitted to you when he was, *throws out a number* 23, that he was gay. Are you going to shun him? Treat him as though he's a freak? Disown your own family? Simply because of his sexual preference?

yes.

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When someone says they are gay, that means they are standing up for their rights and beliefs.

since when being gay is part of someone's beliefs

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Letting the world know what they believe in, fully knowing the comments they will recieve. I applaud their courage, and you egg on the discrimination. Fantastic for you, give yourself a pat on the back.

*asks mom to give me a pat on the back*

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The colour of someone's skin, their heritage, their culture, their beliefs, and their sexual preference should not matter.

exactly, it really doesn't matter, why should the media focus on it then

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These not "normal" people, are just like you. They are a person in the world, trying to make the money, and live their lives. What does the fact that their gay, have to do with anything?

they can do whatever they want, i really don't question their existence... what i am bothered with is that these people want to banalize something called mariage between a man and woman and want to apropriate their rights.

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Does that mean that they are less eligible for the job? Suddenly, are they going to create problems by simply being in the same room? Are they criminals? No, No, and oh yea, No. Get over your fears and eliminate this bias.

no you're exagerating alot here, i work with some gay people and the only thing that annoys me is their personnality, they always want to show you that their better than you hehehee this always makes me laugh. but anyways

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Originally posted by ahlamalek the way they act in public (still have those images engraved in my brain from their last parade) hey relax there, no one is taking their rights. All they wants is some extra rights that belong only to couples as it was intended to be. who said the gay issue should be AN ISSUE? these people want to banalize something called mariage between a man and woman and want to apropriate their rights. no you're exagerating alot here, i work with some gay people and the only thing that annoys me is their personnality, they always want to show you that their better than you hehehee this always makes me laugh. but anyways

Some of your points above have been removed as they didn't relate to whaty i'm about to say, so if your post looks shorter and/or chopped, that would be why

Firstly, that's a gross generalization you just made there. What do you mean by 'the way they act in public'. Do you presume to know every gay person that you see in the street, in fact, how do you know if someone you walk past is gay?
Also, what do you mean (exactly) by 'the way they act in public'.

As for your 'couples as it was intended to be' comment, I contend that the original 'concept' was flawed, and needs to be changed. There are gay people who maintain loving, stable relationships, and what right do you have to tell them that they are somehow less worthy of basic rights than a hetrosexual couple.

Homosexuality is an issue because of the disctimination against gay people that is prevenant in some circles today.

On to your point about marriage. If you're coming at it from a religious standpoint, then ignore what I say here, but if not, then what the hell?
Marriage is just a man made system to legally (civil unions at least) recognise the union of two people etc etc. What is so sacred about that which means that gay people cannot also be awarded the same rights? If it is man made (which it is), then it can therefore be flawed (which in mky opinion, it is).

Finally, your last comment. Here we go again, you're generalizing. Come on, as if all gay people 'act like they're better than you'. Once again, how do you know when you're talking to a gay person, they don't exatly wear stickers to advertize their sexual prefferences now do they. Admittedly some of them might be a bit sensitive about their sexuality, and be a bit quick to defend themselves, but that (in my opinion) is purley because of people who like to discriminate against them, make jokes about them, and generally make them feel like shit.

Anyhow, what that exactly is wrong with being gay? I've still yet to hear a valid (non religious) reason for the argument that homosexuality is in some way wrong.

The purpose of a civil marriage is to provide beneficial financial situation to the young couples in hope they'll have children, as well as to provide some security for those children. Therefore gay marriages are an oxymoron, since gays don't have children. I personaly don't have anything against gays screwing one another if they find it pleasurable, or living together for that matter, but they shouldn't recieve subsidies intended for people with children.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 The purpose of a civil marriage is to provide beneficial financial situation to the young couples in hope they'll have children, as well as to provide some security for those children. Therefore gay marriages are an oxymoron, since gays don't have children. I personaly don't have anything against gays screwing one another if they find it pleasurable, or living together for that matter, but they shouldn't recieve subsidies intended for people with children.

thank you!

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 The purpose of a civil marriage is to provide beneficial financial situation to the young couples in hope they'll have children, as well as to provide some security for those children. Therefore gay marriages are an oxymoron, since gays don't have children. I personaly don't have anything against gays screwing one another if they find it pleasurable, or living together for that matter, but they shouldn't recieve subsidies intended for people with children.

So just becuase an adopted child happens to have parents that are the same sex, he/she should be denied governmental care by the state, while other children recieve it becuase their parents' sexual organs are different?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King So just becuase an adopted child happens to have parents that are the same sex, he/she should be denied governmental care by the state, while other children recieve it becuase their parents' sexual organs are different?

i'm pretty sure the same people who are opposed to gay mariages are opposed to child adoption by same sex couples...

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Originally posted by Cyrus King So just becuase an adopted child happens to have parents that are the same sex, he/she should be denied governmental care by the state, while other children recieve it becuase their parents' sexual organs are different?

Now as far as child adoption goes, I'm somewhat reluctant on letting homosexual couples adopt children. You must admit that such a family is an unnatural one, and it is questionable whether a child in such family will grow up without some psychological problems. I believe there are some better ways to raise a child in need of adoption.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek yeah i read that and understand fully, but I don't have to agree with you

This is true. Just like I don't agree with many things that others say. I simply cannot understand your method of thinking on this subject.

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the way they act in public (still have those images engraved in my brain from their last parade)

Not all gays act alike. What about the atroscious way that straights carry on themselves? I have yet to see some gay guy or some lesbian walk up to the other sex out of nowhere and fondle them. Normally they make sure it's okay first . I am sick and tired of how men think it's simply fine to grab my ass or try and fondle me whenever they please. At least gays have some respect.

How they act towards each other in public is their own thing. It's like denying any straight couple the right to cuddle in public.

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hey relax there, no one is taking their rights. All they wants is some extra rights that belong only to couples as it was intended to be.

Couples as it was intended to be? Once again, what makes a gay couple any different than a straight couple? They have healthy relationships, discuss things, live together, do everything else that "couples" do, so why not give them the right to marraige?

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actually no, i can have my own opinions and not be brain washed by some organizations like you(Sorry for the name calling, but it's the truth).

I'm not part of any organization. But I do have a lot of gay friends and I see what they endure on a daily basis.

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you must be really cute all furious send some pics

Heh, My cheeks get all red.

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who said the gay issue should be AN ISSUE? Govt and media gives way too much attention to them, there's more important problems in western societies.

Who said it shouldn't be an issue? To "them"? They are normal people! It's about standing up what this country is supposedly all about, Freedom. Equality. <--- See that word? Equality. There is not Equality if we discriminate simply because of who someone is attracted to.

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since when being gay is part of someone's beliefs

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the belief to stand up for what they think is right, to love one another freely. The belief to fight for the rights that should have already been given to them.

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exactly, it really doesn't matter, why should the media focus on it then

Because they still haven't been given the rights that are priveledged to them by being a part of this country.

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they can do whatever they want, i really don't question their existence... what i am bothered with is that these people want to banalize something called mariage between a man and woman and want to apropriate their rights.

"These people". They have every right to want the rights that are supposed to be given to them.

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no you're exagerating alot here, i work with some gay people and the only thing that annoys me is their personnality, they always want to show you that their better than you hehehee this always makes me laugh. but anyways

And, a straight person doesn't? Because the majority of straight people aren't jackasses that think that they are better than everyone else? Generalization again...

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The purpose of a civil marriage is to provide beneficial financial situation to the young couples in hope they'll have children, as well as to provide some security for those children. Therefore gay marriages are an oxymoron, since gays don't have children. I personaly don't have anything against gays screwing one another if they find it pleasurable, or living together for that matter, but they shouldn't recieve subsidies intended for people with children.

So you're saying sterile couples shouldn't marry right? They shouldn't be given the option to make their loving home available for a child that has no parents (adoption)?

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Now as far as child adoption goes, I'm somewhat reluctant on letting homosexual couples adopt children. You must admit that such a family is an unnatural one, and it is questionable whether a child in such family will grow up without some psychological problems. I believe there are some better ways to raise a child in need of adoption.

You've got to be kidding me. With all the drug addicts in the world, the rapists, the molestors... You're worried about a gay couple raising a child? They will teach the child to stand up for his/her beliefs, to do what they believe is right, to be their own person.

Children grow up with psychological problems in a normal family. I will not admit that it is questionable, because I think you're generalizing. Just because a couple is gay, does not mean that A) the child will be gay, or B) the child will be raised horrible or C) the child will have psychological problems.

I think if a loving gay couple is willing to open their hearts and home to an adopted child, they should be given the right to. Children need a home. What's better? Having a child be brought up in a welfare home (where there are about 500 kids), or having them brought up in a normal life?

I prefer msn as a tool for discussion...

feel free to add me: [email protected]

ZIONISTS STAY AWAY, DONT MAIL BOMB hehehehe

*pokes stick at them so they can stay back*

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Originally posted by ahlamalek I prefer msn as a tool for discussion... feel free to add me: [email protected] ZIONISTS STAY AWAY, DONT MAIL BOMB hehehehe *pokes stick at them so they can stay back*

[email protected]

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Originally posted by anuneventrade [email protected]

ok i'll add you when I'll be back home from work .... if I ever make it with all the f****** snow outside.

Just a note, if you intend to use those addresses for regular email, make sure you edit them to say tranceenhancedAThotmail.com or something like that, otherwise they'll peobably be picked up by bots. You'll be snowed under with a deluge of extra spam.

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Originally posted by arctic Just a note, if you intend to use those addresses for regular email, make sure you edit them to say tranceenhancedAThotmail.com or something like that, otherwise they'll peobably be picked up by bots. You'll be snowed under with a deluge of extra spam.

I don't use that email I use a completely different one. *shrugs* The only reason why I even registered is to talk on MSN

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Originally posted by anuneventrade I don't use that email I use a completely different one. *shrugs* The only reason why I even registered is to talk on MSN

Ah, but you don't actually need a hotmail/m$ email to talk on msn. It's possible to use any email, you just need it registered as a passport.

/me realizes that he spends too much time on the internet

i don't know if this has already been addressed, i skimmed over the thread, but i think it's funny how homophobic people automatically assume that every gay person is the same and flaunts their sexuality and has parades and dress in drag and only have anal sex. it's ridiculous. not every straight person flaunts their sexuality, either.

the very reason that there are gay rights parades, civil rights protests, rallys, etc, is because there is a problem with them being accepted in their community.

if gays weren't discriminated against, they would have no need for parades to try and gain acceptance. it makes me so mad when people think that homophobia is okay because of the way a few people decide to act.

yes there are some gay people who embody the butch lesbian stereotype, as well as the effeminate gay man. who cares. there are people who fit all kinds of stereotypes. usually, in cases of intelligent people, an entire group of people can not be judged based on the follies of one person.

i have many many many gay friends, as i have been in theatre since 3rd grade. every single one of them knew from a very early age, even before they knew what sex was, that they were different from their peers. they knew they were gay before they even knew what gay was.

being gay is not a fad, a phase, or even a choice. it's part of who someone is. i can't bring myself to even fathom why someone should be denied the same rights as other people because of a characteristic they had nothing to do with.

gay marriage should be legal in ALL states.

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