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-ING ....help???

grammar time*

when conjugating to the present tense, when do you double the consonant?

ie. to run --> i am running
to hide --> i am hiding
to iron --> i am ironing

a friend wasn't sure how to spelling modelling/modeling.. word accepts both, dictionary.com has both ways. which is it?! and what's the common rule for this? i always thought it was double when it ends in a consonant and there's a vowel preceding the last letter. then in grade 2 i learned how to spell ironing.. my theory crumbled

im arguing with a friend about it now...and he says modelling and modeling are two different words. Im saying theyre the exact same meaning. Can someone give me some solid proof? I know theres several smarties on this board, the best I can offer him was the dictionary term of both, but he's swinging back with stupid arguments. Help?!

Thanks in advance

i dont think there is any real rule for it, with consonants and vowels. i think it is just one of those things that is memorised. i could be wrong, english is my native language, so it might be best to ask someone who is studying english, they usually have the answers for these types of things.

as for the difference between modelling and modeling, i *think* there is NO difference in meaning. one is american english and one is british english.

for example-
in america- traveling
in UK- travelling

i am pretty sure on this, but a slight bit unsure....

Re: -ING ....help???

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Originally posted by King_Mack grammar time* when conjugating to the present tense, when do you double the consonant? ie. to run --> i am running to hide --> i am hiding to iron --> i am ironing a friend wasn't sure how to spelling modelling/modeling.. word accepts both, dictionary.com has both ways. which is it?! and what's the common rule for this? i always thought it was double when it ends in a consonant and there's a vowel preceding the last letter. then in grade 2 i learned how to spell ironing.. my theory crumbled im arguing with a friend about it now...and he says modelling and modeling are two different words. Im saying theyre the exact same meaning. Can someone give me some solid proof? I know theres several smarties on this board, the best I can offer him was the dictionary term of both, but he's swinging back with stupid arguments. Help?! Thanks in advance

A Priety Zinta fan? Or you just chose a random Image for your avatar?

First rule of English: disregard all rules of common sense and logic when it comes to grammar.

When the last sillable is

consonant + vowel + consonant

You double the last consonant

CVC
run -> running

CVCCC
catch -> cathing

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Originally posted by Delay Llama When the last sillable is consonant + vowel + consonant You double the last consonant CVC run -> running CVCCC catch -> cathing

You've deciphered the code! o.o!

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Originally posted by Delay Llama When the last sillable is consonant + vowel + consonant You double the last consonant CVC run -> running CVCCC catch -> cathing

if it were only so simple.

the aforementioned rule cannot be applied to the word: skiing

im w/ the guy who said to disregard all rules of common sense & logic w/ english grammar.

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Originally posted by BLuEOcEaN420 if it were only so simple. the aforementioned rule cannot be applied to the word: skiing im w/ the guy who said to disregard all rules of common sense & logic w/ english grammar.

Well thats because ski doesnt end in a consonant

I'm studying linguistics so I should know this, but I don't

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Well thats because ski doesnt end in a consonant

hahahahaha how i managed to not notice the obvious is beyond me... lol....

i still say that the english grammar has too many exceptions. easier to memorize things case by case. rather than to try to apply the rules and make exceptions. heh

my 2cents: pray that word gets it right

Re: Re: -ING ....help???

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Originally posted by T-1000 A Priety Zinta fan? Or you just chose a random Image for your avatar?

least to say
id bone her




so no one really has a rebuttal for me basically? lol ive taken what some have said into consideration

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Originally posted by BLuEOcEaN420 if it were only so simple. the aforementioned rule cannot be applied to the word: skiing im w/ the guy who said to disregard all rules of common sense & logic w/ english grammar.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Well thats because ski doesnt end in a consonant

Exactly. When words finish in vowel, as far as I remember, just add the -ing suffix. He asked "when do we double the consonant", so I didn't even think of this "skiing" case. But, if you're curious, here are all the rules I remember about ing
CVC -> you double the last consonant
Set - Setting
Put - Putt
Ending with (a, o, u, i, y), CVCC, CVCCC, CCVCC, ... -> Just add ing
Do - Doing
Ski - Skiing
Walk - Walking
K - King
Ending with e -> -e +ing
Come -> Coming
exception: be -> being

Now, back to King_Mack's doubt: these verbs ending with "l" can have its last consonant doubled in British English while American English doesn't require it.

Travel -> Travelling (brit) -> Traveling (American)

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Originally posted by BLuEOcEaN420 i still say that the english grammar has too many exceptions. easier to memorize things case by case. rather than to try to apply the rules and make exceptions. heh

Every language has a strong sense of logic, and English is no exception to this. Obviously, being a language that evolved naturally, it's bound to have its peculiarities. The past tense (and present perfect), for example, make me Thank God that English has just a few time tenses, compared to most latin languages (if I'm not mistaken, French and Portuguese both have 21 different time tenses). Not to mention the plural forms of words in English that were borrowed from other languages (like "Children" that came from German and "Nuclea" that came from Latin).

I saw your picture in the Post your Pictahs thread and I'm assuming you're Japanese, Blueocean420. I believe Japanese is a lot more regular than English, with all those particles that make gaijins all over the world feel rather confused. But it's not perfect. If I ask you to add the -masu stem to the verb "kiru", what do you have?

Nothing yet, because you need to know what "kiru" I'm talking about, as it can be kirimasu or kimasu, depending on the verbal group

If you're Chinese or Korean (are you?), I'd better run and hide

to iron

VCVC

By your rule it should be ironning.

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Originally posted by astroboy to iron VCVC By your rule it should be ironning.

Native speakers feel free to correct me:

Iron has just one syllable due to its pronounciation (the "o" is not pronounced). Wanna check? Say the word out loud. You're from Australia and probably you speak Australian English which is a non-rhotic dialect (ie, don't pronounce "r" before consonants). If the letter "o" were pronounced, you would say "i-ron" and not "eye-uhn", which is the correct pronounciation.

since VCVC is not CVC, that rule still apllies

^^^Fair enough

Pronounced as such when used in a demonstration...(i.e.Martha Burke @ The Masters).






This is classic

English must be so hard to learn if it's not your first language, there doesn't seem to be any kind of rule that doesn't have an exception. I feel sorry for all of you who had to learn English in school, hehe.

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