is there anyway to put a hidden song on a cd?

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Posted by BTG on Dec-20-2003 21:35:

is there anyway to put a hidden song on a cd?

just wondering.

Posted by Pjotr G on Dec-20-2003 21:54:

there's a lame way, but I've seen it on commercial CD's

after the last track generate some silence, for instance a minute. Then put the hidden track behind that silence, in the same CD track as the song before the silence

Posted by cyrus2k2 on Dec-20-2003 22:25:

i remember another method. i've seen/heared it on a Beastie Boys album. there was a short 'hidden' clip put between two tracks. the only way to reach it was to got to the second track and skip back.

dunno how to achieve this. but u might find something about this on the net...

Posted by Dj Thy on Dec-21-2003 01:14:

I explained this in another forum already, so I just copy-pasted the info :

Most decent cd burning programs can do this. It makes use of the infamous index-0 information. You might have seen that some cd's display kind of a countdown before jumping to the next track... If you skip manually you'll see that you'll "land" just after that countdown. So this index is only taken into account when playing through it, not skipping.

The hidden cd track uses that. It basically has that index-0 countdown thingie before the first track. When you insert the cd, the player doesn't see that countdown (as it didn't play through that index but only saw the normal index-1).

Feurio has a special ability that allows you to create simple hidden tracks.
Can be done in Wavelab also, just insert a markerless track before the first one, and activate audio in pauses.
With other software you'll have to search for yourself, cuz I don't remember it out of my head.

It can even be done with a cuefile you can write in notepad.

Just to give an example of a standard cuefile :
PERFORMER "blabla"
TITLE "blablabla"
FILE "blablabla" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "blablabla"
PERFORMER "blabla"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "yadayada"
PERFORMER "yadayada"
INDEX 00 07:03:29
INDEX 01 07:05:29
.....

As you can see, here track one only has an INDEX 01, so no fancy stuff. Track two has an INDEX 00 of two seconds.
So on a decent cdplayer, when you reach the 7:03, the display will change in a countdown of 2 seconds, before it changes into track two (if you would skip, you'd automatically be taken to track 2 starting at 7:05, after the countdown).

To create a hidden track, just add an INDEX 00 tag in the first audio track, and change the INDEX 01 tag to where you want the cd to start when inserted/skipped.

Posted by KilldaDJ on Dec-21-2003 15:54:

make it an audio/data cd?

so u plonk the hidden track as an mp3/data file on the disk and the rest of the tracks as audio cd

so u would need a pc to play the hidden track.