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hum well i am one of those people who are pro death row and not many of my friends (who dont know that much about computers and music and stuff) are but the place where i see that a lot of people agree with death row is here in this forum and other forums. am i just stupid or might there be some relationship?
if thats a stupid topic to discuss give me some reason why we shouldnt have death row. i wrote an essay on this for school so i might as well add it but i dont think you guys will read it.
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Why murderers should receive Capital Punishment A man comes into his house and kills his wife and his two daughters he also kills one of his daughters friends who was staying over to spend the night. What punishment does a man who commits such a crime deserve? Would 20, or 40 years in prison bring back those 4 people? No. Should the rest of the tax payers have to suffer because of one mans deeds and have to pay for him to be in jail for 50 years? It�s a lot of money to pay for life in prison. Imagine 3 meals a day, heating and clothing. Not cheap. Or, should the man be sentenced to death and end of discussion? The man is gone and will not be a debt for society nor will he be a threat to anybody else. Every person has the right to live in peace. They can do almost whatever he wants to do, work here or there, play tennis or play football. Everyone has that right to begin with, but what if somebody starts taking other peoples right to live. Shouldn�t their right to live also be taken away? Statistics, from www.usdoj.gov, show that in the United States there are about 2.1 million inmates. Assume that two fifths of that are inmates that have murdered someone. That�s more or less 840,000 inmates. We also know that the average cost of an inmate per year is about 40,000 US Dollars per year per inmate. So the taxpayers or the rest of society have to pay to put these bad boys away in jail when they might as well serve capital punishment that would be much more inexpensive for the society it would also be less worrying. I would feel safe knowing that a murderer is released everyday who has murdered somebody already. Statistics, from the same source as stated before, show that over 65% of all prisoners were rearrested for a similar crime within 3 years that�s a lot! I don�t feel safe knowing that murderer is out and most likely he will commit another murder. If all murderers received capital punishment as their punishment then I think a lot of other murders could be stopped. Imagine knowing that if you kill somebody you might not just face a couple of years in jail but you would be executed! That would probably scare a lot of people who are about to commit a crime. It will stop them and make them realize: is it really worth it? What will I gain from killing this person? Or what will I lose? In conclusion all people who are guilty of a crime of murder should reiceve capital punishment. The reasons are the high price society has to pay for the prisoner if he is to be sent to jail, people say that they change while in jail but statistics show otherwise. If the government kills of all murderers then in the end murder crimes will have decreased a lot. If the murderers were executed then they wouldn�t be able to cause any more harm to the society. All these facts make me come to a conclusion that capital punishment maybe isn�t such a bad idea. |
a person who comit murder is mentally ill in one way or another. so first of all he won't be scared of the deah penelty. you ask yourself "Would 20, or 40 years in prison bring back those 4 people?" no it won't, but in what way should one more death make up for that? all humans should be worth equal, even a murderer, and the government should not be as bad and also murder.
conclusion: death penelties sux 
hmm well you said it urself the guy is mentally ill does that make him safe for the rest of the population? yes putting a person in jail for 20 years wont bring the dead back but it might stop more people from dieing.
i dont see why all people should be treated equally they should both start of equaly but depending on what he or she does they will become better or worse.
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| Originally posted by vswede hmm well you said it urself the guy is mentally ill does that make him safe for the rest of the population? yes putting a person in jail for 20 years wont bring the dead back but it might stop more people from dieing. i dont see why all people should be treated equally they should both start of equaly but depending on what he or she does they will become better or worse. |
well not all the people who are mentally ill start that way if they do then i feel sorry for them and well there is ntohign i can do even though i wish i could. but one who turns mentally ill by greed, selfishness, wanting anything that will make him or her a lesser person wont it?
if a person has the right to live he cannot have the right to take life unpunished.
[dont wanna start a big fight just checking that you arent getitng pissed at me for this hehe]
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| Originally posted by vswede [dont wanna start a big fight just checking that you arent getitng pissed at me for this hehe] |
The only reason why I have second thoughts about death sentences is the possibility of a mistake. You can never be 100% certain that the person who is convicted is infact the same person that commited a crime, and therefore there is always a minimal risk of having an innocent person killed. That's why I believe in forced labor camps.
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| Originally posted by vswede well not all the people who are mentally ill start that way if they do then i feel sorry for them and well there is ntohign i can do even though i wish i could. but one who turns mentally ill by greed, selfishness, wanting anything that will make him or her a lesser person wont it? |
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| if a person has the right to live he cannot have the right to take life unpunished. |
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| [dont wanna start a big fight just checking that you arent getitng pissed at me for this hehe] |
yea thats sort off where im stuck aswell mistakes... has happened i mean we are only human
My problem with the whole "if he's a killer, he's mentally ill" stance is that you're getting into the biology vs. free will debate which I think is a bunch of bull. To say that all of our actions can be explained by simple, reflexive responses to stimuli and not of our own free will is a cop-out. I fail to recognize that nothing we due should therefore be our "fault" since it is merely "biology" that dictates what we do and don't do. As we continue down this line of reasoning we grow less and less responsible for our crimes as we are able to "pass the buck" to our genes. I'm not sure when we became so worried with actually punishing those who have done wrong, instead of spending all of our energy trying to prove that even though you may have committed a crime, it's not really your fault.
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono My problem with the whole "if he's a killer, he's mentally ill" stance is that you're getting into the biology vs. free will debate which I think is a bunch of bull. To say that all of our actions can be explained by simple, reflexive responses to stimuli and not of our own free will is a cop-out. I fail to recognize that nothing we due should therefore be our "fault" since it is merely "biology" that dictates what we do and don't do. As we continue down this line of reasoning we grow less and less responsible for our crimes as we are able to "pass the buck" to our genes. I'm not sure when we became so worried with actually punishing those who have done wrong, instead of spending all of our energy trying to prove that even though you may have committed a crime, it's not really your fault. |
if u kill somebody there must be something wrong with you u might be doing it for free will but the main cause is some kind of illness
imo throwing a proven murder into prison for life is alot more harsh than a simple needle injection. the only problem is the dollars to keep that prison up and running, of course this wouldnt be as big as an issue if weed was legalize, it will cut about half our prison population here in california.
Isn't ironic that people (religious right) have a pro-life stance but yet favor the death penalty? So much for building a "culture of life".
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| Originally posted by PHALPAX Isn't ironic that people (religious right) have a pro-life stance but yet favor the death penalty? So much for building a "culture of life". |
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| Originally posted by Izzy no, actually its not ironic. it's not about a "culture of life". the christian arguement says that aborting a child is killing in innocent person who is killed for no apparent reason, whereas killing a guilty person is a punishment / consequence to an action for which was done out of 'free will'. |
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| Originally posted by Izzy no, actually its not ironic. it's not about a "culture of life". the christian arguement says that aborting a child is killing in innocent person who is killed for no apparent reason, whereas killing a guilty person is a punishment / consequence to an action for which was done out of 'free will'. |
. You may justify the circumstance that something was killed for/by, but the fact remains that you are terminating a carbon based organism. To correct myself from my previous post, I was implying the protestant christian right.....catholics are against the death penalty.
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| Originally posted by rizen imo throwing a proven murder into prison for life is alot more harsh than a simple needle injection. the only problem is the dollars to keep that prison up and running, of course this wouldnt be as big as an issue if weed was legalize, it will cut about half our prison population here in california. |
If we're going to blame killing someone on being "sick," then why can't we extend that to every day crimes? After all a "normal" person wouldn't commit a crime, would they? If that's the case why do we have punishments at all, after all it's not really their fault, it's biology's and genetic's fault. It's a rediculous precident to set, saying that merely the act of killing someone makes them "sick." Biology and genes can't wield a knife or pull a trigger, only a person can, and that person must be held accountable.
As far as the whole pro-life/death penalty thing goes... I think I said something about it earlier, but it's all about choice (ironic, I know). The unborn fetus/baby whatever you want to call it, has no choice as to whether it will be killed or allowed to live. The murderer has made a choice as to whether he will take the life of another, therefore allowing his own life to be taken in return. I would argue strongly that much the same way a victim of a murder would choose life over being killed, if it were possible to ask a fetus if it would like to be killed or allowed to live, it would also choose life.
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| Originally posted by Yoepus Of course it is, having the option of parole, leaving to visit your parents and relatives, getting to watch TV on your ass all day long.. yea its really is worse then death |
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono As far as the whole pro-life/death penalty thing goes... I think I said something about it earlier, but it's all about choice (ironic, I know). The unborn fetus/baby whatever you want to call it, has no choice as to whether it will be killed or allowed to live. The murderer has made a choice as to whether he will take the life of another, therefore allowing his own life to be taken in return. I would argue strongly that much the same way a victim of a murder would choose life over being killed, if it were possible to ask a fetus if it would like to be killed or allowed to live, it would also choose life. |
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| Well according to our President we live in a black and white world, i.e. "Your with us or against us". hhhmmmmmmm...call me the grim reaper I suppose. |
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| Originally posted by NeoPhono Sorry, I'm not quite getting how that goes along with what I said. Could you explain, please? |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus no its ok leave them be.. they can't grasp minor contradictions, especially when they are morally symetric, they mistake it for hypocracy. |
If i wear a condom am i anti-life?
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