How do you get this massive arp sound?

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Posted by TranceInMySoul on Dec-27-2003 13:54:

How do you get this massive arp sound?

I really suck at writing arps, so I'm trying to deconstruct some arps I like from tracks I've bought.

Here's the arp from Amara - Pulse:
Audio Clip

I've had a careful listen, and reckon the note pattern is pretty similar to the following:

I'm totally stuck on the sound to use though. Help me out please! I dunno what effects might be used either, so any suggestions are welcomed

Thanks!

Posted by State of Matter on Dec-27-2003 15:38:

That's a pretty standard supersaw sound. Check my thread and play with the amplifier to turn it into a lead. Basically, 0 attack, 0 sustain, shorter decay, shorter release.

This is assuming you have the pro 53 synth.

Posted by Massive84 on Dec-27-2003 17:23:

layering and a good EQ setting would do the trick also..i know you won't get that in reason with 1 substractor..i don't think it's possible.

Posted by TranceInMySoul on Dec-31-2003 16:17:

Seems layering must be the way to go, a supersaw on its own doesn't really sound anything like the original. That doesn't really help me though, as what instruments to layer together and what effects to use is still a bit of a mystery to me.

For anyone interested, I've made available the MIDI of the note pattern shown in the screenshot.

Let me at the MIDI

Posted by trancenrg69 on Dec-31-2003 16:35:

hey Tranceinthesoul, thanks for the midi. I like that supersaw sound you got in the audio clip. what did you use to make it?

Posted by Massive84 on Dec-31-2003 16:50:

quote:
Originally posted by trancenrg69
hey Tranceinthesoul, thanks for the midi. I like that supersaw sound you got in the audio clip. what did you use to make it?

thats from the orignal artist i think, he seeks a good sound him self in reason for it.

anyway this is what i made of it with 2 substractors.

http://home.wanadoo.nl/f.saleh/saw.mp3

Posted by thecYrus on Dec-31-2003 17:11:

sounds nice massive84, but if you compare both, then your synth needs more distrotion for the harder sound-style...

Posted by Massive84 on Dec-31-2003 17:16:

quote:
Originally posted by thecYrus
sounds nice massive84, but if you compare both, then your synth needs more distrotion for the harder sound-style...

no distiortion in it..and i did it in 5 mins, was just giving a minor example..

tbh i don't think you can get that powerfull sound out of substractor only..but i am not that skilled enough to say that maybe.

Posted by Veverka on Dec-31-2003 17:24:

Something like this?

Posted by Veverka on Dec-31-2003 17:34:

My first approach lacks some high-end.
I think this one is better.

It doesn't sound exactly the same, but I'm not going to sit down for hours just trying to make an exact copy of that sound

Posted by Massive84 on Dec-31-2003 17:48:

you made that with the substractor?

Posted by Veverka on Dec-31-2003 19:03:

Not really, I made it with my Indigo II

I don't know the subtractor (well, I know it's a synth in Reason, but I never used it), but I think you can make a similar sound with every synth offering 3 saw oscs and an unison function.

Take 3 detuned saws, set the LP filters full open, set both attack and release to something like 30-40 (on a scale of 0-127), add a little bit of noise and a slightly reverb (since most softsynths don't offer internal effects, you should do this afterwards). Now put the unison function on and set it to 3, 4 or 5 (so you get in fact 9, 12 or 15 detuned saw waves) and set the unison's detune to 127. Now it should sound like the sound you want. To make it more wider/"fatter", record it to an audio track, copy this audio track and put a stereo-delay on the copy, play the copy along with the original and you have a very rich sound

Posted by Damie Mckeown on Dec-31-2003 23:12:

someone please tell me what the hell you guys are on about, so far it just all sounds like a trance preset you could EQ more in the high end.
Im so confused what the hell the palarva is all over

Posted by TranceInMySoul on Jan-01-2004 14:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Veverka

Take 3 detuned saws, set the LP filters full open, set both attack and release to something like 30-40 (on a scale of 0-127), add a little bit of noise and a slightly reverb (since most softsynths don't offer internal effects, you should do this afterwards). Now put the unison function on and set it to 3, 4 or 5 (so you get in fact 9, 12 or 15 detuned saw waves) and set the unison's detune to 127. Now it should sound like the sound you want. To make it more wider/"fatter", record it to an audio track, copy this audio track and put a stereo-delay on the copy, play the copy along with the original and you have a very rich sound

Thanks I'm curious what settings you used on the stereo delay though?

Posted by wavemaker on Jan-01-2004 15:21:

Original sound was made on a Novation Supernova 2 double saw layer 1 squarewave, square wave uses ring modulation delay is 1/8 and 1/4 stero delay, TC m5000 reverb light pad layer + VS prophet single Saw, all British EQ cut 300HZ, this is done for vinyl reasons as below 300hz is all mono.

Posted by hey cheggy on Jan-01-2004 15:58:

quote:
Originally posted by wavemaker
Original sound was made on a Novation Supernova 2 double saw layer 1 squarewave, square wave uses ring modulation delay is 1/8 and 1/4 stero delay, TC m5000 reverb light pad layer + VS prophet single Saw, all British EQ cut 300HZ, this is done for vinyl reasons as below 300hz is all mono.

well solves that thread doesn't it.

Posted by danielrong on Jan-01-2004 17:18:

quote:

anyway this is what i made of it with 2 substractors.

http://home.wanadoo.nl/f.saleh/saw.mp3

hey im really interested to learn how u made that in the subtractor..i find it nearly impossible to do good leads with it.

id really appreciate it if u would share the presets or at least the settings

Posted by Dave_Abr on Jan-01-2004 21:29:

I've got a great sound to give you but i cant upload a sample...
btw novation supernova 2 is also a vsti?

Posted by Massive84 on Jan-01-2004 21:47:

quote:
Originally posted by danielrong
hey im really interested to learn how u made that in the subtractor..i find it nearly impossible to do good leads with it.

id really appreciate it if u would share the presets or at least the settings

hi

sure

download the rns if you have reason 2.5(lacks the kick sample i think)
http://home.wanadoo.nl/f.saleh/saws.rns

you mite wanne remove the scream coz i added those to see the effect, the sample is without scream.

also play with unsion, if you remove it get a diffrint sound again hehe

Posted by danielrong on Jan-01-2004 23:40:

thx alot m8!

Posted by uxud on Jan-01-2004 23:57:

pff, presets.

Posted by moth on Jan-02-2004 00:25:

How would he have known that?

Posted by Massive84 on Jan-02-2004 06:43:

quote:
Originally posted by uxud
pff, presets.

if you refering to my rns, no preset used.. power synth is my own made patch.

Posted by Strep on Jan-02-2004 20:15:

Well here's my attempt at the sound (I know it aint exactly the same but let me know what you think):

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/musica...ara%20Pulse.mp3

Cheers

Strep.

Posted by Sebraa on Jan-02-2004 21:41:

Here's the sample 128kbps

SEBRA meets AMARA Clip

njoy the clip hope that you like arp sound and everything else!!

cy

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sebra

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