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Trance will never work in outer space!

I've been doing some research to try and learn about digital sound and EDM production and a great resource to me was CAKEWALK WEBSITE .
According to physics, sound is only possible because of the cycles of vibrations carried by air waves.
So I suppose that theoretically, sound couldn't be played in space not only because of the lack of air as a medium but a guitar string or cymbal crash would never decay. You'd have one big hodge-podge of clustered chords and sounds...Kinda like Haak's Frenzy! (oohh j/k man!)
Anyways...maybe this should be moved to Chill Out. Just thought I'd see if this is correct.

Indeed, sound is variations of air pressure.

So, in space, no sound.

Funny fact is, 90% of space movies get that wrong. Cuz agree, having a space fight with no sound would be pretty boring huh (well I'm kinda more inclined to the opposite, just look at 2001 : a space oddysey, the silence makes it eery).

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sound couldn't be played in space not only because of the lack of air as a medium but a guitar string or cymbal crash would never decay.

And they won't decay because of the lack of air It has everything to do with the lack of air (and other gasses off course). However, you could play some drums in a spaceship and send this to a astranout flying somewhere in space using microwaves.

yeh there has to be particles or whatever in the air so they can vibrate to get sound

yeah...i know...its a basic theory that everyone knows already, but still...You do have to remind yourself sometimes that Star Wars is such a law-breaker. I imagine though, that even if you were to play music on Mars for example...the sound properties would be sooo vastly different that you wouldn't even recognize your instruments. Thicker atmospheres would probably make your music sound like it was under water, etc.

Dudes this thread rocks!
I imagine this means I myself would sound different on Mars too. That's pretty cool.

interesting point! never thought about this! actually we have the "waves-discussion" in physics @ school atm! hehe, perhaps i can impress my teacher by mention this point!

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Originally posted by Dj Thy Indeed, sound is variations of air pressure. So, in space, no sound. Funny fact is, 90% of space movies get that wrong. Cuz agree, having a space fight with no sound would be pretty boring huh (well I'm kinda more inclined to the opposite, just look at 2001 : a space oddysey, the silence makes it eery).

Hence; "In space, no one can hear you scream."

OMG!!!!!! One of my favorite things is to come up with new ways of thinking about sounds, and I really think this may be one of those new ways. One example is the new Flaming Lips cd, where they use multiple cds with various sounds and take advantage of the different times in every cd player to form different songs every time you listen.


As one pointed out above, sounds would be completely different than what we are used to. A snare would not sound like a snare, but a COMPLETELY new sound that humans have never experienced before. Now what if an entire song were written with sounds that we have never experienced before. OMG!!!!! That is fucking mind blowing, but I must experiment with this...

Anyone have any comments, cus this is a fucking awesome thoery!!!

Aura...mad props for this thought...much respect for the thoughts waaay outside the box! Can we please keep this topic going? This is mad interesting, with almost LIMITLESS possibilities! I mean...not only could you change the sounds and the rhythems, but change the quality and makeup of the air medium that the music is played through...it adds an entire element to music!

Damn...this is what happens when you give musicians high IQs...a crossing of the best of the left and right brains...hmmm...

Tree falls in the woods and nobody is around OMGOMGOMG

Can somebody test it??

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Originally posted by moth Tree falls in the woods and nobody is around OMGOMGOMG

heh

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Originally posted by SpykeChyld Damn...this is what happens when you give musicians high IQs

Nope.........this is what you get when you give musicians chemicals!

And why not , it serves to push the musical boundries!

lol

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Nope.........this is what you get when you give musicians chemicals!

LMAO still. Only chemical in this cat is Maxwell House!

Isn�t there a limit to what sounds can be made that can be heard by the human ear. How much longer can they keep making new sounds for before they actually run out, or do you think it could be indefinite?

to infinity and beyond...

It would be infinite...
thats like saying there's only 8 notes in an octave and the first and last are actually the same tone so we will probably use up all of the possible combinations of notes and melodies very soon!

With the human ear hearing about 15 -17,000 cps(cycles per second) of sound frequency that gives us an incredible amount to work with...but also you must consider that there's more in a sound than just a frequency.
Theres amplitude, modulation, and other means of manipulating these sounds. ADD complex tones in the mix (that is when vibrations occur at different frequencies and get added together to form a sound) and it really is limitless...

CLASS DISMISSED! lol!

What makes something melodic is just the difference in frequencies, so technically there aren't just 12 semitones. You ever hear a DJ set where the track was playing in a key that doesn't exist? It's just because the track has been pitched up or down a certain % so the frequencies have all been adjusted to notes that don't exist on the standard musical scale. As long as the difference in frequency is constant, you have a melody.

While we're talking about sound, I've always wondered if there can be so many low bass frequencies being pumped through your body that it could actually injure you (like stop your heart or something). I know that if sound frequencies get too high they can do damage to your ear, but i want to know the effect of low frequencies on the body.

bad beatz

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As long as the difference in frequency is constant, you have a melody.

... what the ?


Yes, I've heard some bass notes that have actually seemed to make my hearts rythym beatmatch to the music! Which is pretty scarey if you consider a 140 bpm song!! lol

I think, though, that its more a matter of amplitude in the case of lower frequencies...

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Originally posted by TranceMuzik02 Isn�t there a limit to what sounds can be made that can be heard by the human ear. How much longer can they keep making new sounds for before they actually run out, or do you think it could be indefinite?

Who says you need to make music for humans only? Dogs and bats can hear stuff we can't... All for animal music

And State of Matter, yes, it exists, actually there is already an alarm system based on that (some people call it the brown note). The military division of Thomson (in Germany) has that I think. If a burglar trips the alarm he barely hears anything (too low for him to perceive aurally), but he crumbles down in convulsions.

The brown note itself is 4 Hz at 140 dB it seems.

And even more impressive, scientists found the lowest bass note in the universe(well, we really can't hear it) in september 2003. It's presumed to be produced by a black hole, and is 57 octaves below middle C (about the middle of a piano keyboard). Cosmic soundwaves they call that. And you though Murder was the Bass had a lot of low frequency content

On the topic...wouldn't air medium just be another property to be manipulated, just like frequency, amplitude, etc...?

If you had a composition and changed the air medium it was played through, (lets keep it simple for now) to say, water...then the peice would sound COMPLETELY different. And thats just going from air to water...what if we further fucked with the medium? In theory, could a computer program create a room where you could add and subtract elements and the like to create different versions of the same original sound?

The Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes(underwater mix) it would be incredibly distorted, but would still have a rhythm. What about the As The Rush Comes(surface of Mars mix) it would be slightly less distorted, I would think...but then, I'm not sure of the chemical makeup of the atmosphere on Mars...

Say you take a room that is a complete vacuum...yes, it would be silent...now you slooowly add elements untill you get just enough sound to get what you are looking for...Would this be possible? And if it were possible...imagine the applications...





And 57 octaves below middle C!? Holy shite!

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Originally posted by Dj Thy And even more impressive, scientists found the lowest bass note in the universe(well, we really can't hear it) in september 2003. It's presumed to be produced by a black hole, and is 57 octaves below middle C (about the middle of a piano keyboard). Cosmic soundwaves they call that. And you though Murder was the Bass had a lot of low frequency content

Just like humans can't see certain light (Infa Red & Ultra Violet) past the spectrum, but can coarse harm to our body, like skin cancer for example. So I guess certain sounds that we can't hear could fu*k our body's up.

lol...i've created a monster!

Yea, this is going to be a problem when space is going to be used daily, but some electronic brain implants should fix it. =p

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