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Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-30-2003 23:48:

Downfall of Vinyl?

Seen in the latest issue of DJ Magazine:

'Red Jerry, boss of now defunct record label Hooj, warned DJmag earlier this year, that if labels did not embrace the Internet revolution and set-up online stores, they would cease trading. �The future is digital. Anyone who thinks that DJs will still be playing vinyl in five years is crazy� Red Jerry told DJmag. Hooj has since folded, but still operates its music download service.'

Any thoughts on Red Jerry's quote? Does anybody else feel that the soul and spirit of vinyl will fall soon?

Here is the article: http://www.djmag.com/news_detail.asp?id=22

Posted by torontotrance on Dec-30-2003 23:52:

pffffftttttt....most deejays will spin vinyl for decades to come...

Posted by Fast Turtle on Dec-30-2003 23:57:

I would say that in coming years, we will see less and less vinyl DJs and more and more CD DJ's. Psytrance is already mostly CD...

Posted by Gotcha85 on Dec-31-2003 00:03:

I think thats crap

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 00:03:

So do you think that this will cause a reduction in vinyl production for new releases? Thats what I'd be most worried about. I don't really care how people spin so long as theyre enjoying theirselves. But if it becomes unprofitable for companies to keep selling vinyl, then that would lead to a downfall of a great subculture. You have to admit that there is a major difference in the mystique between vinyl DJ's and CD DJ's.

Posted by Zombie0729 on Dec-31-2003 00:03:

yikes i dunno... when i saw ferry turning through his CD book a few weeks ago it wasn't very exciting, but when i watched him go into his record bag i was getting all ready for the next big tune... its tough to say i guess, but symbolicly... CD's dont do much for a DJ :/

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 00:10:

Also you could figure that if there is an increase in CD spinners, then there is almost undoubtedly an increase in music piracy. When DJ's can just search and download their new releases and burn them instead of going all the way to an unorganized shop, searching for hours for them and buying them. This leads to a further increase in music prices which will be a further deterrent for new DJ's. Good lord, what a horrible cycle. I don't even want to think about what else could happen.

Posted by EriK_V on Dec-31-2003 00:10:

maybe maybe not, who knows, whatever it takes to make money

Posted by Fast Turtle on Dec-31-2003 00:12:

Well, it's true that piracy will increase...but, the thing I don't understand is why companies never bother to release on CD as well as vinyl. Like I said with psytrance, it's mostly CD, but almost everything is also released to purchase on CD. Most of the psytrance companies distributing CD's are doing enough business for themselves to keep operating, as well.

Looking at the bright side of things, it also means any producer can walk up to a DJ and hand them a CD they burned with their track on it, and it's possible for the DJ to immediately play from the CD if they like it. It makes it much easier for the amateur producer to let their tunes get aired. DJ's can also download music from amateur producers and play it. Overall, it makes music more accessible.

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 00:25:

Don't you think though that if accessibility turns out to be increased, then it will accelerate the deterioration of the subversion of our culture?

Posted by T_2199 on Dec-31-2003 00:26:

Bullshit. Vinyl will live forever !!!

(ok let�s say at least 15 years from this date)

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 00:34:

WORRRRRRRRRD!!!

Posted by Fast Turtle on Dec-31-2003 00:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Spuds6s
Don't you think though that if accessibility turns out to be increased, then it will accelerate the deterioration of the subversion of our culture?

I don't think it will deteriote, but rather evolve.

Posted by jdjd on Dec-31-2003 00:39:

Fine, for EDM and hip hop dj's its part of the culture, but do you really think anyone else will use vinyl when there is something out there that will do a better job while costing less??

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 00:50:

If you use only CD's, its so easy to cheat. You can just hit the automatch button and you're ready to go. There's so much more skill involved in spinning vinyl. So sure while it is cheaper to pire CD's, can you put a price on a lifestyle and an entire subculture?

Posted by Zombie0729 on Dec-31-2003 01:15:

i dont want to watch some guy clicking around on a computer... selecting mp3's at a club... i guess this will be just like pop music evolved... there will be composers and there will be performers... in the early stages of music people crossover(like tiesto) but eventually it wont be like that anymore. you will either do some crazy dances while u perform(dj) or u will be a hermit in ur studio : /

Posted by DJ Rat 187 on Dec-31-2003 01:22:

I don't think that vinyl is going anywhere
Fuck CDs

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 01:24:

wow, yeah, spinning w/ mp3 players is scary too. Apple did a promotion for it already. A big name DJ did the show, I forget who. And it is becoming quite popular for Ipod "Programmers" to "battle" in England at events called "NoWax". Programmers "spin" three songs a piece and get audience reaction.

Posted by Fast Turtle on Dec-31-2003 01:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Spuds6s
If you use only CD's, its so easy to cheat. You can just hit the automatch button and you're ready to go. There's so much more skill involved in spinning vinyl. So sure while it is cheaper to pire CD's, can you put a price on a lifestyle and an entire subculture?

...automatch button?

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 01:27:

YEAH FUCK EM RIGHT IN THEIR STUPID ASSES!

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 01:35:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Nuclear
...automatch button?

Yeah man, most CD decks have pretty accurate BPM counters in them. This allows you to press the Beat Sync, or Automatch, or "Magic Button" that automatically beatmatches for you, wheres the skill in that? Here check it out...

http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl...003122912460910

Posted by Fast Turtle on Dec-31-2003 01:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Spuds6s
Yeah man, most CD decks have pretty accurate BPM counters in them. This allows you to press the Beat Sync, or Automatch, or "Magic Button" that automatically beatmatches for you, wheres the skill in that? Here check it out...

http://www.pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl...003122912460910

Yes, but most don't really work well and most all CD DJ's spin like they would on vinyl, without some kind of digital aid.

Posted by YellowG555 on Dec-31-2003 01:40:

For someone to say there's an automatch feature really has no idea of the equipment a lot of clubs use. Most cd turntables in clubs/events (CDJ1000s and the new Denon tables) do NOT have any such feature. If any dj actually uses a cd turntable with such a feature, they obviously are not a dj.

I use both cd and vinyl while spinning, and although it is easier to beatmatch with cds (especially with CDJ1000s) it still takes skill to do so, let alone understanding when to throw the incoming song in and the other little things that you need to know about transitioning.

While the vinyl vs. cd argument will always go round and round, all you have to do is look at djs like pvd who use final scratch instead of vinyl and/or cd. Vinyl will be replaced as it is inevitable...it just makes more sense to have thousands of songs on a laptop rather than carrying around thousands of vinyl with you to every gig. It sucks even more if you lose those vinyl due to airline incompetence and have to use someone else's music to do your gig.

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 01:41:

That is true, but you never know when someone is cheating. Thats another topic though.

Posted by Spuds6s on Dec-31-2003 01:43:

So youre saying vinyl will eventually be replaced? Thats kinda sad...

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