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Dear World

by Rabbi Meir Kahane

I understand that you are upset over us, here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry. (Outraged?) Indeed, every few years you seem to became upset over us. Today, it is the brutal repression of the Palestinians; you never even notice OUR innocent victims of brutal cold-blooded murder, yesterday, it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai campaign. It appears that Jews who try to defend themselves and who, therefore, remain alive, upset you most extraordinarily.

Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish people - upset you. We upset a German people who elected a Hitler and we upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world "upset." We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. We upset, for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through Inquisitions, and we upset the arch- enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

And it is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to "leave" you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish state. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you, disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you and thus love you - and have you love us? And so we decided to come home - to the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.

Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state - we continue to upset you. You are upset that we "repress" the poor Palestinians (who never had it as good). You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The "radical" Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel.

In 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929. Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967?

And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots between 1936-39? was it because of Arab upset over1967? And when you, world, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried "no" and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset, then? The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish state in to the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate the same cry of "itbach-al-yahud" massacre the Jew! - that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel.

What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should not "repress" them...

Dear world, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction.

And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us! In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, there are still some Jews in Israel who could not care less.

(Written in 1988)

The words of a great man, may his name rest in peace.

His opinions and influence touched many in countless ways; "Kahana chai!"

Thanks for this thought-provoking thread imokruok!
Always appreciate your insight.

eck.. this can't go to good places

im sorry, but this was just such a ridiculous letter.

This is exactly the epitome of exploitation of Jewish suffering that has angered many people.

I could sit here as a native or an african american and write about my peoples suffereing and how we "deserve" a country of our own.

Re: Dear World

I once knew this guy, Joe, who was trying to move into our neighbourhood. Quite the character. One day he came to me in tears, complaining about relationship problems with so many people here. First there were the Joneses that refused to talk to him. Then the Johnstons, who once invited him over so that he could check out their house and they him, as they were renting out their basement -- that turned out quite sour.

And so on... in the end, Joe went out and bought a house himself. "Alas, this neighbourhood is hard to please," he said. Can you believe him? I saw that he was in a self-induced "Woe is me!" victim role. There was a duty I felt then -- I had to burst his bubble:

"Joe," I said, "did you perhaps stop to think that maybe there's something wrong with you?"

Kahanists are terrorist supporters

Do you have any idea who Rabbi Meir Kahane is???? He is a terrorist as labelled by ISRAEL and the UNITED STATES. Kahane Chai has been labelled a TERRORIST organization by the US and ISRAEL ITSELF. Kahane Chai assassinated Yitzak Rabin and massacred the Muslim worshipers in a Hebron mosque in 1994. Kahane Chai has been outlawed by Israel. You are worse than your own state!
You make me sick!

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Originally posted by Alccode "Joe," I said, "did you perhaps stop to think that maybe there's something wrong with you?"

Finally some1 said it. It's the Jews who are to blame for their own pesecution!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King im sorry, but this was just such a ridiculous letter. This is exactly the epitome of exploitation of Jewish suffering that has caused has angered many people. I could sit here as a native or an african american and write about my peoples suffereing and how we "deserve" a country of our own.

So you don't see a logic in the Jewish decision to found their own state in order to be finally able to protect themslves instead of constantly depending on other peoples' moodswings?

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Originally posted by TranceGiant So you don't see a logic in the Jewish decision to found their own state in order to be finally able to protect themslves instead of constantly depending on other peoples' moodswings?

Nope

I think it should have been shared with the people that resided in that land prior to Israels formation.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Nope I think it should have been shared with the people that resided in that land prior to Israels formation.

that's a contradiction. If you share it, then why bother anyway? the whole point was INdependence and SELF rule. Nevertheless it is shared to some extent, seeing that 1/5th of the population is made up by "he people that resided in that land prior to Israels formation".

If you don't wanna see the necessity of the creation of Israel then fine, don't try. I don't see the necessity of "Palestine" either.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant that's a contradiction. If you share it, then why bother anyway? the whole point was INdependence and SELF rule. Nevertheless it is shared to some extent, seeing that 1/5th of the population is made up by "he people that resided in that land prior to Israels formation". If you don't wanna see the necessity of the creation of Israel then fine, don't try. I don't see the necessity of "Palestine" either.

An "independence" that was formed by outside peoples who took away land belonging to the Indigenous population of that time.

Re: Kahanists are terrorist supporters

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Originally posted by Palestinian Do you have any idea who Rabbi Meir Kahane is???? He is a terrorist as labelled by ISRAEL and the UNITED STATES. Kahane Chai has been labelled a TERRORIST organization by the US and ISRAEL ITSELF. Kahane Chai assassinated Yitzak Rabin and massacred the Muslim worshipers in a Hebron mosque in 1994. Kahane Chai has been outlawed by Israel. You are worse than your own state! You make me sick!

First of all, on a side note, kahana didnt assasinate Yitzhak Rabin -it was Igal Amir.... (kahana was dead already i'm almost sure, and if you meant the organization itself - than igal amir was not member of it), about 1994 - i'm not sure if Baruch Goldstain was associated to Kahana or not..... but thats not realy important....

what is funny though, is the other stuff you have said,
cause Arafat is a Terrorist - much much bigger than kahana, and his organization the "Patah" was considered a terror organiztion by everybody until the Oslo peace talks - and still is responsible to hundreds (if not more) innocent life it took in the past and in the present under the new name "El Akza Brigade".

dont get me wrong, I agree Kahana is a terrosit, and happy he was locked in prison but ... you are kidna pathetic. wasnt you the one proudly said : "Long live Arafat!!!" ?

Arafat's organization is called Fatah not Patah.

You agree that Kahane is a terrorist and happy he was locked in prison, but your friends in the forums seem to love him.

And yes, Long Live Arafat

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Originally posted by Palestinian And yes, Long Live Arafat

You praise one who is on a mission to murder innocent men, women and children for the simple fact that they are a Jewish people. Please, I don�t want to hear any lame justification for such barbaric actions, including "they stole our land". Arafat doesn't want to push the "Israelis" into the sea; he wants to push the "Jews!"

If he was alive and ruling at the time of the Third Reich, I'll guarantee you he'd try and jump in Hitler�s bandwagon of genocide!

FCUK YOU for wishing death upon me and my people, I wish the same onto you and your family, g-d help me!

speaking of people who think the world hates them, i thought that this report was appropriate with respect to this topic.

Some in the Israeli Knesset are questioning the route in which this barrier has taken, afraid of internation reaction.

As well, the article also talks about the Rufusenick problem and how 5 of them were recently sentenced to 1 year in jail.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3367607.stm

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Originally posted by Cyrus King the article also talks about the Rufusenick problem http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3367607.stm

I wouldn't call it a problem, rather a distraction for the media. The "refusenik" rate for the IDF is extraordinarily low, especially considering that there's compulsory service. It's just like everything else; a few vocal idiots get a headline once in a while.

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Originally posted by imokruok I wouldn't call it a problem, rather a distraction for the media. The "refusenik" rate for the IDF is extraordinarily low, especially considering that there's compulsory service. It's just like everything else; a few vocal idiots get a headline once in a while.

why are they "idiots"?

tsk tsk tsk

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Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef You praise one who is on a mission to murder innocent men, women and children for the simple fact that they are a Jewish people. Please, I don�t want to hear any lame justification for such barbaric actions, including "they stole our land". Arafat doesn't want to push the "Israelis" into the sea; he wants to push the "Jews!" If he was alive and ruling at the time of the Third Reich, I'll guarantee you he'd try and jump in Hitler�s bandwagon of genocide! FCUK YOU for wishing death upon me and my people, I wish the same onto you and your family, g-d help me!

And you praise a state that is bent on ethnic cleansing and genocide. I guess the Native Americans were the terrorists, I'm sure Illan would side with the European colonialists at that time since the natives used all sorts of 'barbaric' actions against the colonizers.

Arafat has fought for the Palestinians for decades against genocide and the eradication of our name from the history books. It's up to you what you think of Arafat but don't bring anyone else into this. I don't wish death upon anyone, and I'm not surprised that a Kahanist shit like you wishes death upon me and my family.

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Originally posted by Palestinian And you praise a state that is bent on ethnic cleansing and genocide. I guess the Native Americans were the terrorists, I'm sure Illan would side with the European colonialists at that time since the natives used all sorts of 'barbaric' actions against the colonizers.

You spew out shit... "ethnic cleansing and genocide." That�s what you and your camp of pro-terror buffoons are good at doing, propagating your dirty, and blood soakin' agendas! You lie to gather sympathy. I read some of the handouts/leaflets I get from people just like you at any event concerning anything against Israel, and most of your supposed "facts" are straight out lies - or outdated material that once made your "cause" somewhat sympathetic to look at! Enough of your "we're the victim" garbage... if you care about "Palestine" you'd be marching into Ramallah and protesting Arafat�s regime for stealing money given to them by the international community, using this financial aid to kill innocent men women and children, letting terror networks roam free and recruiting more and more brainwashed children to death and destruction. You do not care for the lives of "Palestinians," you rather the death and destruction of a free Israel! A land that solely belongs to the Jew's! You talk about making a home for "Palestinians", you have 20+ Muslim nations who will not try and exterminate you. The Jew's don�t have the comfort of an international family... Israel is their home... there can not be no substitute! When you learn to love humanity more then hate "your sworn enemy," you'll see that your fight was fruitless and full of hate and murder, which brought about poverty and an ill-tempered indoctrinated homicidal society!

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Originally posted by Palestinian Arafat has fought for the Palestinians for decades against genocide and the eradication of our name from the history books. It's up to you what you think of Arafat but don't bring anyone else into this. I don't wish death upon anyone, and I'm not surprised that a Kahanist shit like you wishes death upon me and my family.

I think you meant to say "Arafat has fought for decades in a cause that promotes genocide and the eradication of the Jews from the history books." Its funny you claim it to be the other way around, this conflict is deeper routed in the history books than the name of the Palestinian people.

The people who support Arafat in his crusade to eliminate a people for their born identity I will continue to bring into this fight... you happen to be one of them.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King why are they "idiots"?

They are idiots.
They use an anti-democratic way to go against the law and against goverment decisions. They have used the media for political and idiological reasons - thats also why they chose going to jail (yes it was their choise). its not THAT hard to get away from serving the army, they could have said to the Army Psychologist that they are afraid of the service or watever tell about childhood problems and would have been released - no prison.

not only they ran away from serving their democratic country, but they also harm it and suppurt its enemeis.

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Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef You spew out shit... "ethnic cleansing and genocide." That�s what you and your camp of pro-terror buffoons are good at doing, propagating your dirty, and blood soakin' agendas! You lie to gather sympathy. I read some of the handouts/leaflets I get from people just like you at any event concerning anything against Israel, and most of your supposed "facts" are straight out lies - or outdated material that once made your "cause" somewhat sympathetic to look at! Enough of your "we're the victim" garbage... if you care about "Palestine" you'd be marching into Ramallah and protesting Arafat�s regime for stealing money given to them by the international community, using this financial aid to kill innocent men women and children, letting terror networks roam free and recruiting more and more brainwashed children to death and destruction. You do not care for the lives of "Palestinians," you rather the death and destruction of a free Israel!

Agree!

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A land that solely belongs to the Jew's!

thats not true.

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You talk about making a home for "Palestinians", you have 20+ Muslim nations who will not try and exterminate you. The Jew's don�t have the comfort of an international family... Israel is their home... there can not be no substitute! When you learn to love humanity more then hate "your sworn enemy," you'll see that your fight was fruitless and full of hate and murder, which brought about poverty and an ill-tempered indoctrinated homicidal society!

hahahahaha

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Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef You spew out shit... "ethnic cleansing and genocide." That�s what you and your camp of pro-terror buffoons are good at doing, propagating your dirty, and blood soakin' agendas! You lie to gather sympathy. I read some of the handouts/leaflets I get from people just like you at any event concerning anything against Israel, and most of your supposed "facts" are straight out lies - or outdated material that once made your "cause" somewhat sympathetic to look at! Enough of your "we're the victim" garbage... if you care about "Palestine" you'd be marching into Ramallah and protesting Arafat�s regime for stealing money given to them by the international community, using this financial aid to kill innocent men women and children, letting terror networks roam free and recruiting more and more brainwashed children to death and destruction. You do not care for the lives of "Palestinians," you rather the death and destruction of a free Israel! A land that solely belongs to the Jew's! You talk about making a home for "Palestinians", you have 20+ Muslim nations who will not try and exterminate you. The Jew's don�t have the comfort of an international family... Israel is their home... there can not be no substitute! When you learn to love humanity more then hate "your sworn enemy," you'll see that your fight was fruitless and full of hate and murder, which brought about poverty and an ill-tempered indoctrinated homicidal society! I think you meant to say "Arafat has fought for decades in a cause that promotes genocide and the eradication of the Jews from the history books." Its funny you claim it to be the other way around, this conflict is deeper routed in the history books than the name of the Palestinian people. The people who support Arafat in his crusade to eliminate a people for their born identity I will continue to bring into this fight... you happen to be one of them.

Stop making accusations and start debating with me intelligently you sad, shit, fuck. I'm probably the one that gave you those leaflets and only an idiot such as yourself would mistake them for straight out lies. If you care about your precious Israel, you would stop being occupiers and get the fuck off someone else' land. The only thing doing the recruiting is your American made tanks and helicopter gunships above our homes and streets. Death and destruction of a free Israel?? Who are you trying to fool? Your racist state is the fourth most powerful in the world and has nuclear weapons, who's going to destroy it? A bunch of thugs with bombs on their waists? Shut the fuck up and wake up to reality, shithead. The rest of your message shows your deeply racist mentallity. Racism at its finest. You need to relax, calm down, and chill.

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Originally posted by Palestinian Shut the fuck up and wake up to reality, shithead.

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You need to relax, calm down, and chill.

lol

by the way, trancegiant, i'm glad you took that photo of yourself off...was starting to make me itch.

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