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Posted by jp on Jan-05-2004 14:43:

Take no prisoners

http://www.informationclearinghouse...article5365.htm

puke!

Posted by Yoepus on Jan-05-2004 16:36:

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Originally posted by jp
http://www.informationclearinghouse...article5365.htm

puke!

Ya I'm so glad they posted the whole article online, and that NOTHING was cut out of context to make some hippie point

they cut and edit the article to make their point, an expanded transcript is posted on their own website:
http://www.informationclearinghouse...article5369.htm

but I would be dobious to believe even this is the full transcript and not cut, or edited, as they prove they do such things on the page your posted.

Oh wait they even admit as much:
"THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED." -meaning don't believe a word.

come on you'll have to do better then that

Posted by Trancer-X on Jan-05-2004 18:11:

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Originally posted by Yoepus
Ya I'm so glad they posted the whole article online, and that NOTHING was cut out of context to make some hippie point

they cut and edit the article to make their point, an expanded transcript is posted on their own website:
http://www.informationclearinghouse...article5369.htm

but I would be dobious to believe even this is the full transcript and not cut, or edited, as they prove they do such things on the page your posted.

Oh wait they even admit as much:
"THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED." -meaning don't believe a word.

come on you'll have to do better then that

Those damn hippies are at it again, trying to manipulate the world towards their own selfish, evil agendas!

Posted by NYCTrancefan on Jan-05-2004 18:15:

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Originally posted by Yoepus
Ya I'm so glad they posted the whole article online, and that NOTHING was cut out of context to make some hippie point

they cut and edit the article to make their point, an expanded transcript is posted on their own website:
http://www.informationclearinghouse...article5369.htm

but I would be dobious to believe even this is the full transcript and not cut, or edited, as they prove they do such things on the page your posted.

Oh wait they even admit as much:
"THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED." -meaning don't believe a word.

come on you'll have to do better then that

I simply ignored that article since it clearly demonstrated its position in the title.

Posted by rizo on Jan-05-2004 20:39:

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Originally posted by Yoepus
Oh wait they even admit as much:
"THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED." -meaning don't believe a word.
um CNN puts that in all their transcripts, even the CrossFire ones.

http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANS...0/26/cp.00.html

anyway i cant see the video but as i was reading the transcript... "I mean, afterwards you're like, hell, yeah, that was awesome. Let's do it again." BANG! I remembered this video. IIRC I saw it on Democracy Now!. even if it is out context, how can killing someone be awsome and want to do it again?!?

Posted by Shakka on Jan-05-2004 20:44:

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Originally posted by rizen
um CNN puts that in all their transcripts, even the CrossFire ones.

http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANS...0/26/cp.00.html

anyway i cant see the video but as i was reading the transcript... "I mean, afterwards you're like, hell, yeah, that was awesome. Let's do it again." BANG! I remembered this video. IIRC I saw it on Democracy Now!. even if it is out context, how can killing someone be awsome and want to do it again?!?

To quote Winston Churchill, "there is nothing quite so exhilarating as being shot at and missed".

Not that I agree with or support what those marines said, but I'm sure there is an adrenaline rush that goes hand-in-hand with killing an enemy combatant. We have no idea what goes through their heads--they're living in a different world than the rest of us when they're in combat--it's hard to really put yourself in their shoes.

Posted by biodigit on Jan-05-2004 21:11:

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Originally posted by Shakka
To quote Winston Churchill, "there is nothing quite so exhilarating as being shot at and missed".

Not that I agree with or support what those marines said, but I'm sure there is an adrenaline rush that goes hand-in-hand with killing an enemy combatant. We have no idea what goes through their heads--they're living in a different world than the rest of us when they're in combat--it's hard to really put yourself in their shoes.

lets turn the tables for a second and apply your logic towards an iraqi who shoots an american. So, what your response would be? I'm pretty sure you wouldnt apply the same logic. you would be raising hell, calling the act 'barbaraic' etc. etc.

In conclusion, we should never try to rationalize something just because it doesnt fit our idealogy. Taking a life of another human being in such vicious way is despicable. Whether its Iraqi's or American's life.

Posted by rizo on Jan-05-2004 21:47:

anyone else heard or read about this:

UK Troops Beat Iraqi Detainee to Death
Meanwhile the London Independent is reporting that British forces beat to death an Iraqi man in custody in September. An Iraqi detainee who witnessed the death said the man was tied and hooded and then repeatedly kicked and assaulted.

It's from todays Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman. need another source.

Posted by Shakka on Jan-05-2004 21:57:

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Originally posted by biodigit
lets turn the tables for a second and apply your logic towards an iraqi who shoots an american. So, what your response would be? I'm pretty sure you wouldnt apply the same logic. you would be raising hell, calling the act 'barbaraic' etc. etc.

In conclusion, we should never try to rationalize something just because it doesnt fit our idealogy. Taking a life of another human being in such vicious way is despicable. Whether its Iraqi's or American's life.

Don't attempt to put words in my mouth. What's this "In conclusion" shit? Are you giving an oral testimony on rationalizing?

War itself is barbaric, so I will even say that the marines killing the Iraqi was in and of itself "barbaric". I would also say that from an Iraqi standpoint the statment I made above holds equally true. I didn't try to take sides, I merely tried to put the marine commentary in perspective. There was no rationalization in what I said.

Posted by Krypton on Jan-06-2004 00:36:

damnn. thats something that made me think. how cruel.

Posted by St_Andrew on Jan-06-2004 00:47:

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Posted by Shakka on Jan-06-2004 01:01:

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Originally posted by St_Andrew
do you know what's going on in Palestinians or al quaidas heads? yet you criticize them for their behavior. it is all about understandning, you just have to learn to understand everyone

No, I don't, and I don't presume to. Hell, if I could understand what was going on in their heads I'd probably have a solution to the world peace issue. I just gave a Winston Churchill quote and tried to explain the thought process involved. I could care less if that was a manatee being shot by some sea lions--my comments were meant to be objective. Survival instincts are scientifically proven to cause an adrenaline rush--what kind of animal is involved is irrelevant.

Posted by occrider on Jan-06-2004 02:14:

What I don't get is why that website says that it has news you won't find on cnn yet it's showing cnn footage. This is the second time I've seen that site do that. At any rate, just saw this on CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/m...arge/index.html

It's good the army is doing something about behaviour like this but the punishment could have been more severe ... I would be more forgiving for situations that take place in the heat of an exchange or battle but not at a pow camp ...

Posted by biodigit on Jan-06-2004 15:42:

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Originally posted by Shakka
Don't attempt to put words in my mouth. What's this "In conclusion" shit? Are you giving an oral testimony on rationalizing?

War itself is barbaric, so I will even say that the marines killing the Iraqi was in and of itself "barbaric". I would also say that from an Iraqi standpoint the statment I made above holds equally true. I didn't try to take sides, I merely tried to put the marine commentary in perspective. There was no rationalization in what I said.

I'm sorry, but its clear to me, in a way you ARE trying to justify their actions in the statement below, even if its a different perspective.
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Originally posted by Shakka
I'm sure there is an adrenaline rush that goes hand-in-hand with killing an enemy combatant. We have no idea what goes through their heads--they're living in a different world than the rest of us when they're in combat--it's hard to really put yourself in their shoes.

As I've stated in my previous post. If the story was the other way around, you wouldn't have this so called....DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

Also, (in your earlier post) you didnot comment anything regarding the cruelty of soldier's actions. So dont get all pissy when I questioned your perspective. Try to give more of a balanced and thoughtful statement. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this rant...OK?