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Posted by moog_baby on Jan-06-2004 15:22:

Monkey Dancer 2 Oldie but goodie>novation v's access

Right seriously, which is the better choice, a supernova or a virus..? I can get a virus B or a supernova 2, which one people? really wanted an indigo but the futuremusic review has put me off..?
whats best and why peeps...?


Posted by Mossy on Jan-06-2004 15:23:

what issue of future music? im still considering the indigo... waaah you spoiled my fun!


Posted by moog_baby on Jan-06-2004 15:28:

yeah my heart wants an indigo..but for the money dont sound too good..answer the question synth experts!


http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun...virusindigo.asp

sound on sound rather!


Posted by Luke Terry on Jan-06-2004 16:57:

Cool

imo, get the novation v-station (vst) and an access virus c, then you have the best of both worlds


Posted by Mossy on Jan-06-2004 19:46:

moog baby - that is the review for the indigo, the latest is the indigo 2, so maybe thats better? Im more tempted to get a decent midi controller keyboard and buy the virus c now, just had a sudden change of mind!


Posted by State of Matter on Jan-06-2004 20:03:

From what I've heard, the Virus C or KC is a much better value than the Indigo.

I would take a Supernova II over a Virus B, but I would probably take a Virus KC over the Supernova. This is just because Im all about pads and strings. You gotta decide which kind of sounds you want and figure out what each synth excels at.


Posted by Pappa on Jan-06-2004 20:12:

Fortune, I'm lucky enuf to own both a Virus KC and SuperNova II. They both have there strenght's and weakness. For me, the Virus is awsome for the Bass End, and some pad/strings. SuperNova, II with the Double Saw, which im tryin to learn, from what I can see on preset's comes pretty close to the JP-8000 SuperSaw, but it has a different taste.

Anybody use the Waldorf Q, or Q+?


Posted by DeZmA on Jan-07-2004 13:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Pappa
Fortune, I'm lucky enuf to own both a Virus KC and SuperNova II. They both have there strenght's and weakness. For me, the Virus is awsome for the Bass End, and some pad/strings. SuperNova, II with the Double Saw, which im tryin to learn, from what I can see on preset's comes pretty close to the JP-8000 SuperSaw, but it has a different taste.

Anybody use the Waldorf Q, or Q+?


I use the micro Q,
most powerfull synth in my setup, but sounds rather digital
great for exf, bass, creative leads.
I've made a demo.. reverb comes from my mixer cause onboard Q reverb kinda sux an1x are onboard efx.
most are init patches. first one is double saw in unison on Q with onboard arp. you'll here it'll sound warm but in a digital way.. hard to explain just listen.
To compare in warmth I put some an1x patches after it starting from the rank 1 tune. An1x beats it in warmth but can also make some great weirdo efx with fm (didn't put them in demo to) from 5.25 its my an1x

pick it up HERE

I'm having examinations so its done quickly and its all played realtime its just to give an example and i forgot to set sf to record stereo again so its mono. Enjoy..


Posted by Pappa on Jan-07-2004 15:59:

quote:
Originally posted by DeZmA
I use the micro Q,
most powerfull synth in my setup, but sounds rather digital
great for exf, bass, creative leads.
I've made a demo.. reverb comes from my mixer cause onboard Q reverb kinda sux an1x are onboard efx.
most are init patches. first one is double saw in unison on Q with onboard arp. you'll here it'll sound warm but in a digital way.. hard to explain just listen.
To compare in warmth I put some an1x patches after it starting from the rank 1 tune. An1x beats it in warmth but can also make some great weirdo efx with fm (didn't put them in demo to) from 5.25 its my an1x

pick it up HERE

I'm having examinations so its done quickly and its all played realtime its just to give an example and i forgot to set sf to record stereo again so its mono. Enjoy..




Hmmm, very good sounding. and that's just the Micro Q? Basically a scaled down version of the bigger Bro's Q, Q+?

Not bad, not bad. I likes!!!


Posted by hey cheggy on Jan-07-2004 16:45:

You're right, the micro Q does sound very digital.


Posted by DeZmA on Jan-07-2004 17:31:

I must say I've never regretted buying it for 1 second you can go very far in terms of synthesis. The micro Q is a slimmed down Q, but the Q + has in fact a real analog filter onboard thus sounding fatter and warmer (but has a rather big price tag ) these are just some small examples of what the q is capable of.. it can sound warm but in a digital way


Posted by Pappa on Jan-07-2004 17:39:

Ya the Q+ is like 3,000-4,000$$ US Money. But if it's werth the pennies, then saving up for it, would be worth it.

Someone told me that the 4 Must Synths are:

Virus C, or Virus KC
Novation SuperNova II
JP-8000 or 8080
Waldorf Q


All Agree? or opinions?

So Far I got 3 of the 4, but just need to learn how to program the damm things, instead of using presets. I tell tho, I did get all of Manuel Schleis patches he made for those boards, some good shit he programmed.. It's a start for me, even tho someone else did them..

For those who don't know. which Im sure most do.

http://www.vengeance-sound.de


Posted by DeZmA on Jan-07-2004 17:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Pappa
Hmmm, very good sounding. and that's just the Micro Q? Basically a scaled down version of the bigger Bro's Q, Q+?

Not bad, not bad. I likes!!!


its the micro Q with external reverb untill 5.25
don't buy it for the efx but it's capable of sounding very good without efx and is 25 voice (omega version 75) so who bothers


Posted by DeZmA on Jan-07-2004 17:46:

Well, they are built like a tank so if you need a good kb anyway you could go for it. I think you could swap the jp 8000 for the nordlead to the must haves. I'm bored by the jp it's overused, it was cool 7 years ago I wouldn't consider buying it now. That's why I went for the an1x some time ago. I did some killer patches with it

and yea programming is an important skill
just stay awake all night programming some patches you've done from scratch. Worked for me


Posted by Pappa on Jan-07-2004 20:11:

quote:
Originally posted by DeZmA
Well, they are built like a tank so if you need a good kb anyway you could go for it. I think you could swap the jp 8000 for the nordlead to the must haves. I'm bored by the jp it's overused, it was cool 7 years ago I wouldn't consider buying it now. That's why I went for the an1x some time ago. I did some killer patches with it

and yea programming is an important skill
just stay awake all night programming some patches you've done from scratch. Worked for me


True on the overused sound, but damm I love that sound tho. Ya think 20 years from now that the sound will be enjoyable as it is today, and 7 years ago

As Far as built like a Tank Keyboards.. What is the life estimate of a keyboard, meaning that you keep it in a good / smoke Free Room. Im so damm scared these days of electronics, shit breaking in a few years. I mean, i like to keep my shit atleast 10-15 Years, if for anything for my kids to play on, and say hey this is what dad used to make choonz. They may laugh, but they can learn

As far as programming. My biggest thing so far, is learning the Jargon/Terms, and trying to visualize what the waveform is reallying doing realtime. I mean I start with a Init Patch. just a plain sound, and it's like damm, what to turn next, and when u do out of desperation, it don't change much. It's some deep shit.

Hell, ive read the damm Virus Tutoral that came with my Virus and what is scary for me is I get lost in that bitch. and i don't want to be lost. But never fear, I won't give up. That is why I keep my eyes posted on the forums for peeps to try and relay it in a little better fashionable terms, but I understand you can only explain so far.


Posted by DeZmA on Jan-08-2004 10:12:

hehe, well training is the key.
I wouldn't care too much for life estimation, if you handle them with respect they can last ages.. Look at the tb303's, 909's, juno's, dx7's, moogs on the second hand market still in mint condition. If you start gigging them that's another thing but well I suppose you wont go to a gig with 4 keyboards.. that's what samplers are made for.
The Q is shipped with a rather comprehensible manual about analog synthesis. Just understand you can go much further in terms of programming than most synths, there's wavetable (the 4th sound on the demo is a modulating wavetable sound), fm on the osc's and the filters, loads of modulation possibilities, the crazy comb filter.. (getting in action around 3.40 on demo )



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