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Palestinian Mother Turns Suicide Bomber for Hamas

This woman was apparently well-off with a family, and still chose to blow herself up for the local death cult. Yeah, they're all 'oppressed poor.' It's the perfect illustration of Golda Meir's famous quote: "We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."

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abcnews.com J E R U S A L E M, Jan. 14, 2004� A young Palestinian woman made history of sorts today in the 3-year-old Arab uprising against Israeli occupation. She killed four Israelis in a suicide bomb attack at the main border crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Reem Raiyshi, 22, managed to get right inside the border security office with a bomb belt under her clothes. According to the Israeli military, she calmly told soldiers she had a metal splint in her leg that would set off their detector. As she was taken to a special room for a personal search, she blew herself up. "I heard the explosion," said an Israeli bus driver."Then I saw body parts everywhere." Three Israeli soldiers and a security guard were killed. The blast also injured seven other people, including some Palestinians. In a video released by the militant group Hamas, Raiyshi said she had wanted to be a suicide bomber since she was 16 years old. "I was hoping to be the first woman, where parts of my body can fly everywhere," she said in Arabic on the tape, smiling. "I'm taking revenge against the Jews." Raiyshi was not the first woman to detonate herself for the Palestinian cause, but she is the first mother. She was married, from a well-to-do family, with a 3-year-old son and an 18-month-old daughter. She is also the first woman to be used by Hamas for a suicide attack. The militant Islamic group has always said that only men should fight � until now. Now it says holy war is the duty of all Muslims, men and women.. Choosing a Cause Over Her Children At the checkpoint where Raiyshi blew herself up, about 6,000 Palestinian workers are allowed to pass each day to work in Israeli factories. After the attack, Palestinians were quickly rounded up. Authorities said the border would re-open Thursday, but with even tougher security. "An incident like this will not help us to be more cooperative with the Palestinians," said an Israel military commander. Within hours of the bombing, a mourning tent went up in Gaza City to prepare for a huge funeral Thursday for Reem Raiyshi. Relatives say they can't understand how she could abandon her children. "I love them," Raiyshi said in her video. "Only God knows how much I love them." But it seems she loved martyrdom more.

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Originally posted by imokruok This woman was apparently well-off with a family, and still chose to blow herself up for the local death cult. Yeah, they're all 'oppressed poor.' It's the perfect illustration of Golda Meir's famous quote: "We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."

Oh yes...palestinians are having a blast in the west bank and Gaza... they really love their lives...they are free and happy people!

See... this lady just goes to show that many palestinians arent oppressed, she exemplifies the whole population..theyre all crazy!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King See... this lady just goes to show that many palestinians arent oppressed, she exemplifies the whole population..theyre all crazy!

Finally we agree on something


haha j/k.. don't you just hate it when ppl misinterpert sarcasm?

Erez Crossing

oppression of the people as a whole is just as much a factor as the oppression of the individual. Many Palestinians, althought come from well to do families, wish to fight for their land. (Not that I'm justifying suicide bombings against Israeli civilians).

This suicide attack was against soldiers. It is legitimate.

On a side note, I've been to that particular Israeli crossing between Israel and Gaza at the north. I need to pass through the Erez checkpoint every time I wanted to go to the West Bank. I wasn't allowed but I was able to get a permit from connections within the PA. The last time I was there, a lady soldier made us go back about a one hour drive to Gaza City to get my sister's passport, which was the first time we needed it, previously we didn't, she could just pass under my mother's ID card.

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Originally posted by Palestinian On a side note, I've been to that particular Israeli crossing between Israel and Gaza at the north. I need to pass through the Erez checkpoint every time I wanted to go to the West Bank. I wasn't allowed but I was able to get a permit from connections within the PA. The last time I was there, a lady soldier made us go back about a one hour drive to Gaza City to get my sister's passport, which was the first time we needed it, previously we didn't, she could just pass under my mother's ID card.

Well I guess you understand why they have these obnoxiously strict boarder crossing rules, its because incident like that which has happened and because people life yourself think...

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This suicide attack was against soldiers. It is legitimate.

Don't expect it to become any easier to cross such a checkpoint in the future.

And legitimate all depends on your definition, the suicide attack against the soldiers yesteray is clearly "illegimate" according to all rules of law that we morally try to assume as an international community. I know the Palestinians have not signed the Geneva convention, but that would then again not give them the accuasation to say it was "legal" (as they ahve no legal/law document for war) but they could say it was "necessary".

You mind telling me how the violation of civilian neutrality to target the enemy is a legitimate tactic under the laws of war?

Civilian neutrality is BS. Look at most of europe during the second world war. Look at vietnam, iraq etc. If someone was taking my land you better believe i'd make them pay for it if they wanted it. I too abhore suicide attacks, but don't give me this civilan neutrality crap.

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Suicide Mother�s Disappearing Crutches DEBKAfile Special Report. January 15, 2004, 1:42 PM (GMT+02:00) 15 January: Every war has its own life-and-death-stories, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is no exception. On Wednesday, January 14, 22-year-old Reem Al-Reyashi, a mother of two, blew herself up at the Erez Crossing from the Gaza Strip to Israel, murdering four Israelis and injuring ten. She left behind the grieving families of 1st Sgt Tsur Or, 20, from Rishon Lezion, Corp. Andrey Kegles, 19, from Nahariya and Border Guard 1st Sgt. Vladimir Trostinsky, 22, from Rehovot, and Gal Shapira, 29, from Ashkelon. Meanwhile, many thousands of Gazans are prevented from reaching their much needed jobs in Israel. The crossing has been closed to men and goods until further notice. The suicide-killer�s own death was succeeded hours later by a stream of wild rumors that ran round the Gaza Strip. DEBKAfile�s Palestinian and counter-terror sources have obtained a rare glimpse into the life and human background of the first Hamas female suicide bomber. One of the stories Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and the suicide bomber�s husband Ziyad Awad put about is that Reem hobbled up to the Erez terminal on crutches and so fooled the Israeli security officials into taking pity on her as a cripple. In Israeli accounts of the bombing, no crutches were mentioned, only a metal plate which the dead woman claimed was planted in her leg and accounted for the scanner�s beeps. So what happened to the crutches? Reem may have thrown them away after coming up with what she thought was a better cover story � the metal plate. Or else, the crutches might have contained the explosives she detonated and were pulverized in the blast. A third scenario: There were no crutches, and a fourth, the Israeli account omitted them for their own reasons. The most poignant account current among Palestinian circles acquainted with the couple was that Awad, after three-and-a-half years of marriage, wanted to get rid of his wife and encouraged her to set off on her mission of no-return. Reem came from one of the richest families in the Gaza Strip, owners of the biggest car battery factory in the region. Her husband had a better and safer life than most people in the impoverished Gaza Strip, even without her. According to this rumor, Reem more than once confided to him her wish to �martyr� herself and go to heaven � not so much because she courted death but rather because she secretly hoped her husband would beg her not to leave him and their two small children aged three and one-and-a-half. But she miscalculated. Instead, Awad actively encouraged her to go ahead with her plan, assuring her that God wanted her in heaven where they would later be reunited. Meanwhile, he would look after the children. At least, that�s what he told the small company of Gazans who came to offer condolences at the mourners� tent he erected at their home in southern Gaza. He confessed he was only surprised that his wife had embarked on her sacred mission so soon. After all, Awad said, she had never mentioned any dates or times. Visitors came away with the impression that he had known nothing of the training his wife went through before the bombing, further evidence of how little interest Reem�s husband took in her when she was alive. Awad did not seem too surprised at the dearth of condolers. But her Hamas controllers were shocked. According to DEBKAfile�s Palestinian sources, Hamas leaders had banked on the group�s first woman suicide bomber in Gaza firing the Palestinians� imagination and inspiring large numbers to follow in her footsteps. Six female suicide bombers have so far performed terrorist missions on behalf of fellow terrorist groups Fatah-Tanzim and others, accounting for the deaths of 39 Israelis. All six had problematical lives. Gazans, however, refrained from demonstrating support or sympathy for her mission, remaining cool even after the lavish praise heaped on the bomber by Sheikh Yassin. It was a double blow for the extremist Islamic group whose aim it had been to demonstrate that its operations against Israel could not be stopped by the strongest Israeli barriers or security measures. As it turned out, Reem only managed to reach the screening facility at the Erez Crossing before she blew up. She did not make it all the way through the checkpoint as Yassin and his men had hoped. Four Israelis were murdered because one Palestinian woman feared her husband no longer wanted her and because a wheelchair-bound Islamic cleric, already responsible for hundreds of Israeli deaths, taught her how to walk on crutches�to heaven.

dj_ilan_yosef - interesting article, thanks for posting it.

kokanee

I just find it interesting that Hamas has turned to recruiting women with children in order to carry out these attacks. It is clearly an acknowledgement that the traditional tactics utilizing males has run into a brickwall (no pun intended). I am not here to judge the merits and rationale of the bombers, but I genuinely disagree with (young women with children) blowing themselves up, this represents a huge loss to society when this happens and the Palestinians do not need any more of that ontop of current problems.

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Originally posted by failsafe Civilian neutrality is BS. Look at most of europe during the second world war. Look at vietnam, iraq etc. If someone was taking my land you better believe i'd make them pay for it if they wanted it. I too abhore suicide attacks, but don't give me this civilan neutrality crap.

*sigh*

How long does a military occupation have to last before it's considered their land? 10 years? 20 years?

Canada used to be a British colony, and before that a French colony, and before that an Sioux/Navajo/Indian tribe, but you don't see them bitching about how we took their land and trying to kill us. When they lost the war, they lost the war, that was it. They don't commit acts of violence because they're not taught in school and by their parents that they're at war, and neither are we.

Ugh, I don't want to get sucked into the discussion of who is committing more attrocities because both sides are doing plenty of that... I'm just mortified by the notion that any of that violence is somehow justified.

Edit: Just because the Israelis they killed were soldiers, does not mean they were the same soldiers that shot at innocent Palestinians. It's not fair to brand the entire military based on acts of fanaticism by a select few members - that's no different from branding all the Palestinians as raging terrorists based on a selection of suicide bombers. It's all generalization, and it's all false.

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Originally posted by failsafe Civilian neutrality is BS. Look at most of europe during the second world war. Look at vietnam, iraq etc.

A civilian in civilian clothing: under the Geneva Convention, this was an "illegitimate" attack. The woman, if captured, would have been legally designated as an unlawful combatant, not a POW.

So are the two kids supposed to follow in her footsteps now?
That was a selfishly sick act by mom...

{{{smoke}}}

diji:

there's no need for your "sigh" shit. Do you think that you're on some massive pedastal where you're forced to educated the masses and "sigh" at the stupidity of those around you? Sometimes it's you that could use the education i'm afraid.


"sigh"


There are still massive land disputes with the native population in canada. Don't you remember Oaka? There is always some native protests sometimes esclating to violence. My job is to fly native people in and out of their reserve structure. I can tell you that there is still animosity between the natives and the whites. "you white fuck get off our land" "you white fuck you kill my people" etc. All over the world there are animosities between any country which has lost land. To say that it's not valid because it's been 1, 10, or 100yrs means nothing. It's called opression. If you've lost something due to someone else and they don't give it back people tend to fight.

Demand for Citizenship

If you think that the natives of Canada put the past behind them, then you're dead wrong. As a matter of fact, they identify with the Palestinians and link the two tragedies together. It's funny that you mention that because in the coming month a Native speaker will be coming to York University to link the two conflicts. The fact that people still fight injustice after losing a war is a sign of strength. Palestinians are also fighting to exist. How would you like it if I told you to get over the Holocaust. They burned six million of you, so stop whining and get over it! How does that feel? Very painful, I'll bet.

It is legitimate under International Law to kill Israeli soldiers. And yes it is fair to brand the entire Israeli military. It is an oppressive and terrorist institution bent on genocide and ethnic cleansing. We have the right to kill and mutilate every one of them until they leave our land.

One more thing. You imply that we should accept that we lost the war and get over it. Well sure, we have tried to do that. We want Israeli citizenship and will accept it any day any time! But if Israel won't grant us citizenship because their fear of being the minority (and fear of democracy, essentially), then they're the ones who can't get over the results of the war.

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Originally posted by Palestinian If you think that the natives of Canada put the past behind them, then you're dead wrong. As a matter of fact, they identify with the Palestinians and link the two tragedies together. It's funny that you mention that because in the coming month a Native speaker will be coming to York University to link the two conflicts. The fact that people still fight injustice after losing a war is a sign of strength. Palestinians are also fighting to exist. How would you like it if I told you to get over the Holocaust. They burned six million of you, so stop whining and get over it! How does that feel? Very painful, I'll bet. It is legitimate under International Law to kill Israeli soldiers. And yes it is fair to brand the entire Israeli military. It is an oppressive and terrorist institution bent on genocide and ethnic cleansing. We have the right to kill and mutilate every one of them until they leave our land. One more thing. You imply that we should accept that we lost the war and get over it. Well sure, we have tried to do that. We want Israeli citizenship and will accept it any day any time! But if Israel won't grant us citizenship because their fear of being the minority (and fear of democracy, essentially), then they're the ones who can't get over the results of the war.

Nice post Palestinian.

Im in total agreeance with you. I beleive that like terrorists who kill innocents, IDF soldiers should also be treated like terrorists for doing the same exact thing.

Killing innocents is the result of bad judgement, whether you are an Israeli or a palestinian, doesnt change a thing one bit in my eyes.

as long as the suicide attacks stick to MILITARY targets then fair is fair. The second you target a disco, a bus, a market you cross the line. Infact you go jumping across the line deep into terror. You go from fighting for freedom, to a lowly terrorist. Hammas, etc would have far better results if they could just stick the military stuff.

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Originally posted by failsafe as long as the suicide attacks stick to MILITARY targets then fair is fair. The second you target a disco, a bus, a market you cross the line. Infact you go jumping across the line deep into terror. You go from fighting for freedom, to a lowly terrorist. Hammas, etc would have far better results if they could just stick the military stuff.

Huh? No that's still not just. Hamas disguising themselves as civilians to attack military targets is AS justifiable as Israeli air attacks against Hamas targets in civilian populated areas. It's the same twisted logic ...

The geneva conventions exist to PROTECT civilians. By disguising yourself as a civilian you subject them to danger and violate said protections. The other side then takes measures that are harmful to supposed civilians who should be protected. None of it is legitimate.

american special forces boot around afghanistan dressed as herders. I guess the hauge should crack down on the yanks then?

the fact is the people are agasint the occupation. do you really think that the people are going to put on uniforms? of course not.

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Originally posted by failsafe american special forces boot around afghanistan dressed as herders. I guess the hauge should crack down on the yanks then?

That then violates the geneva conventions. Sources? And when we are talking about the third geneva convention we are of course referring to armed attacks carried out in the guise of civilian status?

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the fact is the people are agasint the occupation. do you really think that the people are going to put on uniforms? of course not.

No but that does not justify their actions. If it DOES, than the typical Israeli/anybody response of prosecuting said action with extreme prejudice is equally as justified. Is that the case then?

I'll have a look and see if I can find a pic of the special forces riding around on camels and shit. It was in time magazine about a year ago.

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Originally posted by failsafe I'll have a look and see if I can find a pic of the special forces riding around on camels and shit. It was in time magazine about a year ago.

Well it is not illegal to carry out intelligence or travel in civilan guise. It IS illegal, however, to carry out planned attacks by disguising oneself as a civilian.

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/N...-0000X-001.html

then blow the picture up. hell it's even off a us .mil site so you know it's legit. the bastards even have some quasi turban on.

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Originally posted by failsafe http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/N...-0000X-001.html then blow the picture up. hell it's even off a us .mil site so you know it's legit. the bastards even have some quasi turban on.

Yet you fail to establish the case for a violation of geneva convenctions. Are these soldiers deliberately disguising themselves as civilans in order to carry out deceptive, armed attacks against enemy combatants. If the bar were lowered to simply DRESSING in disguise then one could hold World war 2 era British, American, and CANADIAN troops as violators of the Geneva convention in conducting covert intelligence operations against the germans.

The geneva conventions do not specify that at all.

military objectives of Operation Enduring Freedom, as articulated by President George W. Bush in his Sept. 20th Address to a Joint Session of Congress and his Oct. 7th address to country, include the destruction of terrorist training camps and infrastructure within Afghanistan, the capture of al Qaeda leaders, and the cessation of terrorist activities in Afghanistan


clearly you're not versed with american special forces tactics. The american SOG, and many other units operated in vietnamese clothing for nearly the entire war. Read up on the Pheionx program if you want a quick history on american violation of the geneva convetion. Torture, killing of civilans, blackmail, etc were every day occurances. In specific read up on "the bell telephone hour".

The Israelis are shooting at ambulances and kids.
The Palestinians are carrying out suicide attacks dressed up in civilian clothes.
The US-army is showing humiliating pictures of its prisoners of war - and even fails to grant all its prisoners this status in the first place.

Everybody is violating the Geneva-convention.

The Israelis are doing it because they cannot distinguish a terrorist from any other Palestinian. The Palestinians are doing it because they have no other way of fighting the occupation power. The US is doing it because it is vital to the fulfilment of their goals that they are perceived as victorious, and that resistance to the US is futile.

Unless you somehow believe that there are degrees of violation of the Geneva-conventions (in which case your measurement of violation must be subjective), you might as well accept that your heroes are equally bad.

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