Why are the media and law enforcement targeting rave culture ?........

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Posted by LiquidX on Aug-02-2001 14:39:

Why are the media and law enforcement targeting rave culture ?........

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Posted by Viceroy on Aug-02-2001 14:58:

It's because e is the "major" problem right now in the drug world. E is associated to raves. Hence, the crackdown.

Posted by beroshima on Aug-02-2001 15:30:

Not to act like its a conspiracy, but I think its because the government doesn't make a profit on it, like the it does with other things with the 'war on drugs'...

Its also a selling point for politicans to get into office - 'we're saving your kids' - they prop a few crackeads who don't know their limits on the TV, hold a senate hearing (no scientific facts used, of course) - they're pretty predictable...

It is getting worse in the US... A lotta people on the outside think that drugs is all that goes on in clubs + raves.

A year ago I could talk about it to strangers. Now its a little risky...

Posted by cdn_trance_boy on Aug-02-2001 15:54:

Speak out........

Here in Canada raves are becoming more scarce. Promoters are having an awfull time getting the required permits to hold events at places other than clubs..Law enforcement is frustrated that no matter how much money they spend they are losing the war on drugs.. No matter how you try to put it though raves are a place where there is a huge amount of drugs...therefore the crack down. There have been deaths at raves...why is it a big deal..because it is middle class white kids who are going to raves and using drugs......have you ever heard a news report about how good the music was and the vibe.Noooooooooooo " last night police busted a rave , drugs were found , there where people as young as 15 there ..blah blah blah...the media is a very powerful medium..In toronto on Sept 2, there throwing a free party to show what the electronic music scene has to offer ..good tunes,good vibes..and most of all fun..hopefully this will showcase the positve aspects of what can be with the communities support.

Cheers to all

Posted by goodnet on Aug-02-2001 16:27:

Re: Speak out........

quote:
Originally posted by cdn_trance_boy
why is it a big deal..because it is middle class white kids who are going to raves and using drugs......

The same thing has been said before around here... and it has ALOT of truth if you really think about it.

Essentially, it's thought of (by the media) like this:

Precious surburban white kids are in potential danger, so let's all make this activity they do, called "raving", be shown in a negative way. It will get us higher ratings because people can't help but eat this shit up without trying to understand it beyond our negative one-sided view! Bahahaha!

Posted by Tony Morello on Aug-02-2001 19:01:

oh man.. don't get me started... i'll go on forever about this subject... check my rants in the thread about "sell a glowstick, go to prison"
here's the link...
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...?threadid=11942

Posted by Spad on Aug-02-2001 20:35:

How about none of the above?

It's nothing new that's happening here. Think Rock & Roll, Heavy Metel. When these genres started becoming popular with youth it was something new. Something society didn't understand, so instead they feared it. And that's exactly what's happening with dance music.

But don't worry because nothing will come of it. Parents of the kids who grew up listening to Rock & Roll in the 50's learned to accept that their kids weren't going to start stealing cars and setting fire to their schools, or go to hell (it was thought of as the Devil's music) just because they listened to it. And 40 years on they came to accept that although little Johnny was now a goth, he wasn't going to slash his wrists or start eating live chickens.

At the end of the day, dance music is here and it's not going to go away and pretty soon everybody will start worrying about whatever the "kids" are into in 10 years time and leave us to love our music in peace.

Posted by kansascity89 on Aug-02-2001 20:52:

damn the man

its all about that damn man, sitting up there on his throne and looking down on a scene, a situation that challenges the status quo

the man's scared of change, he's scared of things new and bold, scared that there might exist alternative means of experience, he's scared that his control on the world could slip should the masses start opening their fuckin eyes and realizing the greatness and good around them

so I say damn the man for ruling the world in his fascist manner, and damn the man for keeping down the people

Posted by tu_face on Aug-02-2001 23:07:

i reckon its mainly because of these ppl not understanding the drug ecstacy. shit loads of it in the clubs... only really dangerous because theres no-one sayin what u can and cant put in the pills, and thats because its illegal. so instead of doing the sensible thing and makin sure these pillz we are munchin arnt packed with shite they are closing down the places where people do the drugs. fact is if these ppl really wanted to they could quite happily, and more securely (as in not gettin arrested) do them in their own home....

>>>duh<<< stupid governments

Posted by Eugene on Aug-02-2001 23:14:

LiquidX, are you still in high school?
Why don't you write a term paper on this subject

Posted by LiquidX on Aug-02-2001 23:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Eugene
LiquidX, are you still in high school?
Why don't you write a term paper on this subject

Trust me .. I WILL !!!!!!!! definetly !!!!

Posted by j_spot on Aug-02-2001 23:29:

Im with Spad on this one. Rave culture is counter culture. Just like the hippies were. History does repeat itself cuz we(humans) are animals of habit. This will pass, once the 'truth' about the drugs are out. Really, I think the best thing we can do for our scene is to keep it clean so that cops have no reason to bust it.

On the other hand, on any given night @ a regular club, there are just as many people dropping as @ a rave or big party. (percentage wise)..why dont we hear about busts @ them? Cuz nobody cares to stop this activity. God damn politics!!

Posted by Trancendent on Aug-03-2001 09:32:

Now for something different!

This might be somewhat out of the blue and to an extend unbelievable to the philisophically and politically illiterate, but never the less I'll say it anyway.
And by Politically I don't mean the kinda politics you know about when your watching TV with your beer in your hand!!!!

Dispite what anyone might belive the government is directly responsible for drug traficking. Specially in this age. Capitalism as we speak is at it's darkest hour. World Economy is in a slump and life as we know it is becomming harder and harder for the working class. The media delibratly and quite consciously was designed for brainwashing and distracting people from their REAL problems. But that's just one things. They have taken into account and used absolutly everything they can including drugs to stop people from realising their steadily worsenning conditions. Imagine how easier life was for our parents when they where growing up. Sure they had their own problems but financially we are much wors off and our children are gonna be worst off still and even more druged up than our generation. I will also mention that I myself use drugs but I have my own reasons for that.
But for now this issue should be taken into serious consideration.

criticisms to this post are welcome pplz.

Posted by Spad on Aug-03-2001 15:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Trancendent
Dispite what anyone might belive the government is directly responsible for drug traficking. Specially in this age. Capitalism as we speak is at it's darkest hour. World Economy is in a slump and life as we know it is becomming harder and harder for the working class. The media delibratly and quite consciously was designed for brainwashing and distracting people from their REAL problems. But that's just one things. They have taken into account and used absolutly everything they can including drugs to stop people from realising their steadily worsenning conditions. Imagine how easier life was for our parents when they where growing up. Sure they had their own problems but financially we are much wors off and our children are gonna be worst off still and even more druged up than our generation. I will also mention that I myself use drugs but I have my own reasons for that.
But for now this issue should be taken into serious consideration.

criticisms to this post are welcome pplz.

If you had any evidence, reasoning or even hearsay to back this up I'd listen, but it sounds no different from any conspiricy theory to me.

I don't think for a second the majority of drug users are so wrapped up in taking drugs they fail to notice other world issues. So if that was the plan it didn't work.

I'm willing to entertain the notion that government would consider legalisation of certain drugs for the purpose of increased tax income (though I don't think the income would be that great anyway, but that's a different matter); but that government are activly involved in trafficking I find difficult to believe. But please feel free to enlighten me.

Posted by j_spot on Aug-03-2001 16:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Spad

but that government are activly involved in trafficking I find difficult to believe. But please feel free to enlighten me.

Spad..I didnt read his post until after I read yours. You are misquoting him. He didnt say they are involved in trafficking, but that the Government is directly responsible.
There is a difference(shit..im analyzing sentace structure and word meanings...yup, im ready to go back to college!) So Ill believe both of you. I dont think they are actively involved, but they are responsible. (ie for creating social situations where people would want to take drugs as an out etc)

Other than that...his rant seems alot like a flimsy conspiracy theory =)

Posted by Spad on Aug-03-2001 18:25:

It was more lines like

"They have taken into account and used absolutly everything they can including drugs to stop people from realising their steadily worsenning conditions."

but apologies if I've misunderstood.

Posted by j_spot on Aug-03-2001 21:54:

WTF..Did he edit his post? I COULD HAVE SWORN it said something about the government being responsible..now that line is gone..my appology Spad!

Posted by KaNoS on Aug-03-2001 22:46:

History is repeting itself, when rock and roll came up, it attracted a lot of people, and the media started to look why was all the people attracted to it? and they came up that it must have been the drugs. Punk came out, attracted a lot of people, why? must be the drugs. Disco came out, attracted a lot of people, why? must be the drugs. Grunge came out, attracted a lot of people, why? must be the drugs.
Electronica came out, attracted a lot of people, why? must be the drugs.

They couldnt imagine, that people just might like the music and vibe. After all, more than half of the people, dont do drugs.

Posted by hypronix on Aug-04-2001 11:34:

I'll speak both here and in the poll section (anybody have a problem?)
It's about the way some "raverrz" act. Violence should not be a way to enertain Urself..although many believe so. And ppl gen. judge a whole bunch by only two items (it's somethin' about Freud's psychoilogy..see ya in the boks thread!)
So police is gettin' ready to beat up the whole crowd, not those two fuks that start the fight.
So at first maybe we should try and chang a lil..just a lil..

Posted by beroshima on Aug-04-2001 15:49:

What raves have you been to? I must have been to a dozen in my life (I mainly do clubs now) and there wan't one fight at any of the raves..

Compare it to most bars where there is at least one fight a night because of that great *cough* *cough* legal drug called alcohol...

quote:
Originally posted by hypronix
I'll speak both here and in the poll section (anybody have a problem?)
It's about the way some "raverrz" act. Violence should not be a way to enertain Urself..although many believe so. And ppl gen. judge a whole bunch by only two items (it's somethin' about Freud's psychoilogy..see ya in the boks thread!)
So police is gettin' ready to beat up the whole crowd, not those two fuks that start the fight.
So at first maybe we should try and chang a lil..just a lil..

Posted by Trancendent on Aug-05-2001 12:44:

I agree with both "hypronix" and "Beroshima". I've been to alotta raves and have only encountered violance a couple of times and not surprisingly it was because of a couple of Bar Flies and not actual ravers. I've never known any ravers to be even remotly violant. And I also do agree that violance should be discureged. first of all it doesn't fix anything and second of all it's nothing but a sign of low intelect.

Posted by Spad on Aug-05-2001 13:53:

The thing is, young people have been taking drugs since the dawn of time. If everybody stopped going cubbing and started hanging out on bouncy castles instead, they'd take their drugs there. If they started hanging out in huge empty fields, they'd take drugs there.

And then the media would blame the new "empty field" scene for corrupting the kids.

How about this for a reason people do drugs: they like it.