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Ortofon Nightclub S vs Shure Whitelabel

After doing extensive reading on these two needles, I realized I needed new needles to drastically increase sound quality. Seeing as how I could get either one for around 110 bucks with guitar center pricematching, which one do you guys recommend and why?

Im hoping you dont think you can get a pair of Whitelabels for $110 bucks. The cheapest you will get a pair for is $169 on eBay. Otherwise you will be paying over $200 for a pair.

yea i meant 110 for each needle

It's a hard choice... I own a couple of whitelabels, and i can tell they have a big defect: they are big and clumsy, and weight a lot more than the ortofon.

Other than that, they're my first needles, so i can't really compare them. I've used a Ortofon DJ S for some time and i can tell you that the whitelabels are quite superior, except for being clumsy. The whitelabel sound is much more detailed and crisp. I have them at 2.75 grams and their trackability is excelent, they jump very rarely.

If i was to buy some new needles, i would give a try to the Nightclub S because they are smaller (they are easy to put in the right groove, with the whitelabels sometimes i find it dificult, as i have chubby fingers) and more lightweight. However i'm very satisfied with my whitelabels, they clearly give a superior sound to any other needle i've listened to.

my mate is a scratch dj and says alot of people swear by shure! like q-bert for example

i tend to disagree coz stanton have for a very long ime been regarded as the best company for carts. and well ortofon and stanton being the same company and knowing pretty much every club (that ive noticed) uses stanton/ortofon i would go with them.

Ive used both and have fallen in love with ortofons.

the whitelabels are definitely grteat for scratching since they have sweet ways of adjusting the needle.

but when I was spinning with the ortofons I had such great sound.

I don't think you will be disappointed with either though, so whichever you go with you will be happy.

http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?stk_code=shuwhlb


79.99$

does anyone have any more info on the issue of the soundquality of these two?

hehe... i kno u've been researching for the past couple weeks. just go for the whitelabels. the sound really is great, tracking is really good.... and yea... i got a pair from ebay for 130 (well... my g/f did). one other thing... i think they look a lot better than the ortofons.... haha... but i guess that shouldn't really matter since ur lookin at soudn quality. when i turn the volume up very high, sound is always very clear and crisp. i haven't tried the nighclub-s so i cant give u a comparison though.

oh yea... also. the whitelabels have a guard aroudn the needles... and i can honestly say that it has saved me tons of times from messin up my needle. if i accidently knock it off and it hits agains the platter.... the stylus stays untouched.

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Originally posted by dukes my mate is a scratch dj and says alot of people swear by shure! like q-bert for example i tend to disagree coz stanton have for a very long ime been regarded as the best company for carts. and well ortofon and stanton being the same company and knowing pretty much every club (that ive noticed) uses stanton/ortofon i would go with them.

They are absolutely not the same company, sorry. Ortofon is related to Tonar, Stanton to Pickering. But they are definately not related to each other.

As for the scratch dj's, 80 % of them does indeed swear on the M44-7 by Shure. Stanton have had a strong grip on the budget market with their 500 AL carts, that even were a standard for some time in clubs, just because they were so cheap, with decent quality. They wrecked that image with the second version of the 500 AL (sound isn't so good, and tracking, well, not good either).

Nowadays the Ortofons are used a lot, I dare even to say the Pro (S) is pretty much a standard in clubs/gigs.

The difference between the Whitelabels and the higher range ortofons (like the Nightclubs) comes down to preference. Some people like the nightclubs better (including me), some the Whitelabels. They deal with sound, and are both high level. In this case, it's always personal preference that counts.

And don't forget that the Whitelabels are relatively recent. The Nightclub is the second oldest model in their Concorde/OM series (Pro is the oldest one). For a needle using "old" technology (cantilever for example), it still holds it's own pretty good if you ask me.

Ah thx DJ Thy now all i need is some way to compare to the two without having to shell out money for them

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Originally posted by trancinchink oh yea... also. the whitelabels have a guard aroudn the needles... and i can honestly say that it has saved me tons of times from messin up my needle. if i accidently knock it off and it hits agains the platter.... the stylus stays untouched.

how exactly does it prevent the stylus from touching the platter/turntable if you knock it over? if the guards are lower than the stylus, they would touch the vinyl too.. right?

Ortofons have that protection too you know, the stylus doesn't touch the platter when accidentaly knocked over.

How does it prevent from touching? Well, keep in mind that if you place your stylus on the record, you place it perpendicularly on it. The platter is angled. So it's designed that way that if the platter hits the cartridge, there's enough spacing provided for the stylus just not to hit the platter.

I think its because the whitelabels are much bulkier and have more width so that the stylus doesn't touch the platter. I've already knocked my DJ S accidentally a few times and it touches the side of the platter

Yes but not the stylus. Tested and approved by myself.

There is no protection. Although i've dropped my whitelabels a few times on the side of the platter (on the dots), they're still going strong! Amazing, i thought i had to spend 30 euro on a new one after dropping it.

hahaha i second that, my friend had some real BAD skating issues with his tech, and i did it about 3-4 times and 10 gigs later its still good.
I tried white labels...its too hard to drop the needle, its so big. LOL, But if im scratch i alwas keep a pair of the trusty M447s :-D

i got guitarcenter to pricematch to etronics for a whitelabel

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Originally posted by borron There is no protection. Although i've dropped my whitelabels a few times on the side of the platter (on the dots), they're still going strong! Amazing, i thought i had to spend 30 euro on a new one after dropping it.

hehe, yeah. i dropped it on the platter on the second record i was spinnig after getting my new DJ S Ortofon's.

I was like wtf, was sure i had fucked them up just after 5min of spinning!! but i didn't notice any sound quality loss afterwards.
But i'm sure the needle did hit the platter (and jumped a few time) guess they are damn strong..

Naw if the needle touch the dot.. you will be fucked... just be happy its still workin

Figured I'd just ask this here rather than starting a new thread:

I'd like to get a pair of shure M447's since they're cheaper than the higher-end cartridges but I'm looking through some older threads and a lot of people are saying they really wear out the record. For those who own them, is this true? I've heard they got good sound quality and hold the groove well but I obviously don't want my records being worn out.

Well those are turtablist needles and i'm guessing it really depends on the amount of tracking force and how you set it up.

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Originally posted by cryo i got guitarcenter to pricematch to etronics for a whitelabel

whoa what happened. etronics raised their price back up to 90? I could swore they were offereing it for 80 each

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Originally posted by tranceDJ Figured I'd just ask this here rather than starting a new thread: I'd like to get a pair of shure M447's since they're cheaper than the higher-end cartridges but I'm looking through some older threads and a lot of people are saying they really wear out the record. For those who own them, is this true? I've heard they got good sound quality and hold the groove well but I obviously don't want my records being worn out.

M44-7's are known to work with extremely light pressures (some crazy people even work with less than 1g), so I think you got your answer there. It's just because that needle is pretty standard in the turntablist scene, and you know, constantly rocking your records back and forth isn't exactly good for wear, even with minimal pressure.

So the answer, they need less weight, so for normal use the wear is less too.

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