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Posted by []O=O[] on Jan-27-2004 03:40:

trance

i heard people complaining trance isnt the same. as i say it, will not be nothing new, but i will say it!
when exactly trance will get more interesting? its been the same stuff for long time now and there isnt much progress.

anyway, as a person who grew up with trance i can say i am really disapointed. all the people who i knew back in the old trance days are grown up and realized that trance is for kids i guess and its time to move on. for those who listen to this same music in the past few years got to be out of their minds. for one, i am such person. i really have doubts if trance doesnt start changing.


Posted by davidderail on Jan-27-2004 03:45:

Re: trance

quote:
Originally posted by []O=O[]
i heard people complaining trance isnt the same. as i say it, will not be nothing new, but i will say it!
when exactly trance will get more interesting? its been the same stuff for long time now and there isnt much progress.

anyway, as a person who grew up with trance i can say i am really disapointed. all the people who i knew back in the old trance days are grown up and realized that trance is for kids i guess and its time to move on. for those who listen to this same music in the past few years got to be out of their minds. for one, i am such person. i really have doubts if trance doesnt start changing.


for that kind of comment, you have to be really closed minded. trance is ever changing. more influences from techno and breaks. and if it's time to move on, the to what? if you say trance hasn't changed then neither has any other genre.

i think people just get tired of one style and have to bash it.


Posted by starstarman on Jan-27-2004 03:48:

If people could have a bit more sense of timbre, they would know trance has been progressing rapidly, comparing with the other form of music.

and btw,
if you dislike or get bored with such style, just move on and no one would complain
rather than stick along and complaining the style itself then make yourself sad


Posted by mndeg on Jan-27-2004 03:52:

lol
m a u r o p i c o t t o d j d j


Posted by Matt Jay on Jan-27-2004 03:54:

Why does trance have to change??

As long as new creative melodies and structures keep arising as they have done in the last decade then i'll be happy.


Posted by []O=O[] on Jan-27-2004 03:58:

i am sorry, i am little behind here. whats the new sound of trance??


Posted by starstarman on Jan-27-2004 04:09:

There are different forms of music appreciation in term of time scale.
Trance is a mean of structure that catagorizing certain form of similar kind of sound tracks. Why do people keep complaining the structure has been staying the same for years? Just like complaining why trance is still trance. Tell me why males still got their organs there and not evolving uh huh?

Listen deeper.
There are different forms of music appreciation in term of time scale.


Posted by []O=O[] on Jan-27-2004 04:11:

i dont know dude. i am trying really hard, but its the same old cheese to me. there is Tiesto with Traffic bringing something new to trance style and everybody is bashing him for it. i dont know what progress there will be if we start attacking anything new done to broad the genre further.


Posted by Matt Jay on Jan-27-2004 04:15:

quote:
Originally posted by []O=O[]
i am sorry, i am little behind here. whats the new sound of trance??


The tech-trance sound seems to be getting more popular.

I like it


Posted by Tranc3 on Jan-27-2004 05:29:

Jesus Christ 3rd time this week.

Once again...

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=155069

Specifically...

quote:
Originally posted by Tranc3

I believe trance, like most other electronic music genres, is evolving more rapidly than anything else we've ever seen. Producers are having to get more and more creative with their sounds, and consequently, the music is always evolving.

Take trance a few years back. You'd use an 808 or a 909 or something similar, maybe add some slight reverb/compression and eq, and you were done. Now sounds are distorted so much that in some cases you can't tell which drum machine (or which actual drumset) was used for the original sample.

Same thing with synths. It used to be that a decent supersaw was deemed "good enough," but now it's not. Once again, producers are doing crazy things to distinguish themselves.


Posted by Cobalt on Jan-27-2004 06:07:

Of course trance is innovative and evolving! Just listen to A State of Trance each week. Always something different, pushing the limit!



Anyone who thinks trance hasn't been stagnating for the last two years or so is fooling themselves or new to the genre. I can listen to livesets from 2000 or earlier, and not only do today's productions follow the exact same formula, the work in these older sets is generally better in quality.

Tech-trance and electro-trance is the only salvation I see at present; Marco V, Katana, some Mauro Picotto (New Time New Place), some Ferry (Right of Way), and some Tiesto (Traffic). Progressive trance has been dead for years save some work from James Holden, Sasha, and Junkie XL; the Gabriel & Dresden and Markus Schulz variety definitely doesn't count. Uplifting is in worse condition, snowballing uncontrollably into the garbage bin that Armin plays on ID&T every week. I should also note that John OO Fleming is putting out some absolutely fantastic material, but more producers need to follow suit for his sound to gain momentum.

For trance's own health, uplifting just needs to die for a while. Sadly I don't see this happening. The ratio of good uplifters to total slices of cheesecake is just too small to justify keeping it up. Masters & Nickson - Out There (5th Dimension), Fictivision vs C-Quence - Symbols, POS - Remember (Summer Sun), Agnelli & Nelson pres Ultra - Holding On To Nothing (Club Mix), and Ferry Corsten - Indigo are just about the only uplifting trance tracks I think were worth the vinyl they were pressed on last year. That's still a decent number of great productions, but compare that with the mountains of crap that came along with it.

(Paul van Dyk is still a wild card. He's at a very critical point. He could either overhaul his sound and emerge the stronger or take a further nosedive into commercialism, effectively destroying his status in the trance community.)


Posted by []O=O[] on Jan-27-2004 06:28:

Cobalt, what ya listening now days if you think trance isnt that great?


Posted by peterdjsgirl on Jan-27-2004 06:34:

posted this on another thread... seemed to fit again

just a thought

I am new to TA and have just been browsing around. There is such a wide variety of musical tastes that run through here... even within the trance genre. Having been around "the club scene" for a long time. I have seen it grow and widen and become this great international culture. I find it interesting that, as it has grown and branched off, the love of dance music that bonded us together, now divides us. Please don't get me wrong... everyone has their own tastes and expressing them is part of defining our indivduality. I have just noticed that at times, people and or artist are really railed into. Makes me just a little sad. As far as where the music is headed, who knows.. it is always changing and every artist needs and wants to grow and change..to express themselves. An artist , no matter what the medium, evolves over time. Their brains are always moving on and exploring, searching for that place of expression. A painters style may change or color palette may differ over time, but their work still holds part of them and what they are experiencing. The same holds true for music. At the same time, I think those who appreciate and enjoy the art, that are connected to it with their soul , grow also (and being a part of this forum speaks volumes as to how you are connected to music) It is a process that happens together. So no worries and no predictions for my part.. I continue to love this journey with dance music, and will forever.


Posted by InfiniteSquare on Jan-27-2004 06:39:

guy who made this thread: check out a tomcraft or westbam set..its something different and it kicks ass!


Posted by DeviantxPete on Jan-27-2004 06:42:

not this topic again....goddammit when does the madness end?


Posted by Mebot on Jan-27-2004 07:03:

sometimes i wonder if people on rock or rap or country forums have the same arguments...


It seems to me their forumula has stayed relatively true to its roots for over 60 years (ROCK). innovation in genres helps, yes, but it's still pretty much the same recipe for songs

Trance, i think, is the same way. It still has the same recipe as it did circa 1998 and 1999 but it's using different ingredients. Take a gander and realize that there's more trance tracks being realized that arent being played by every single DJ in clubs around the world or on ASOT or other prominent DJ Radio Stations.

Find something new (breaks, prog, Dnb etc...) and find out where they got their synths from or their layers from. Research and find what you like. Don't listen to the elitist telling you what to listen to. Find out for yourself where the music is evolving towards and what the outcome may be


You may be presently surprised


Posted by InfiniteSquare on Jan-27-2004 07:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Mebot
sometimes i wonder if people on rock or rap or country forums have the same arguments...


It seems to me their forumula has stayed relatively true to its roots for over 60 years (ROCK). innovation in genres helps, yes, but it's still pretty much the same recipe for songs

Trance, i think, is the same way. It still has the same recipe as it did circa 1998 and 1999 but it's using different ingredients. Take a gander and realize that there's more trance tracks being realized that arent being played by every single DJ in clubs around the world or on ASOT or other prominent DJ Radio Stations.

Find something new (breaks, prog, Dnb etc...) and find out where they got their synths from or their layers from. Research and find what you like. Don't listen to the elitist telling you what to listen to. Find out for yourself where the music is evolving towards and what the outcome may be


You may be presently surprised


presently or pleasantly surprised?


Posted by []O=O[] on Jan-27-2004 07:09:

Re: posted this on another thread... seemed to fit again

quote:
Originally posted by peterdjsgirl
just a thought

I am new to TA and have just been browsing around. There is such a wide variety of musical tastes that run through here... even within the trance genre. Having been around "the club scene" for a long time. I have seen it grow and widen and become this great international culture. I find it interesting that, as it has grown and branched off, the love of dance music that bonded us together, now divides us. Please don't get me wrong... everyone has their own tastes and expressing them is part of defining our indivduality. I have just noticed that at times, people and or artist are really railed into. Makes me just a little sad. As far as where the music is headed, who knows.. it is always changing and every artist needs and wants to grow and change..to express themselves. An artist , no matter what the medium, evolves over time. Their brains are always moving on and exploring, searching for that place of expression. A painters style may change or color palette may differ over time, but their work still holds part of them and what they are experiencing. The same holds true for music. At the same time, I think those who appreciate and enjoy the art, that are connected to it with their soul , grow also (and being a part of this forum speaks volumes as to how you are connected to music) It is a process that happens together. So no worries and no predictions for my part.. I continue to love this journey with dance music, and will forever.



i dont care about this.

are you hot looking girl? if so, msg me!


Posted by webmeister on Jan-27-2004 07:19:

Re: Re: posted this on another thread... seemed to fit again

quote:
Originally posted by []O=O[]
i dont care about this.

are you hot looking girl? if so, msg me!


So people try to help you out and you respond like that.

Nice one


Posted by Mebot on Jan-27-2004 07:21:

quote:
Originally posted by InfiniteSquare
presently or pleasantly surprised?


either or...

you know how n00bs come on proclaiming such and such from 2001 or 2002 is "da shit track!!!"

then again we may be surprised to find out said n00b may come back saying current unknown track is "da shit!"

i dunno

live and learn i suppose


Posted by Mebot on Jan-27-2004 07:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Mebot
either or...

you know how n00bs come on proclaiming such and such from 2001 or 2002 is "da shit track!!!"

then again we may be surprised to find out said n00b may come back saying current unknown track is "da shit!"

i dunno

live and learn i suppose


however in saying that i realize i severely stereotype the n00bs that sign on that HAVE been in the trance scene for quite some time

and for those members that understand, i apologize and i didn't mean to generalize you. Speak forth and represent yourselves!


Posted by []O=O[] on Jan-27-2004 07:25:

Re: Re: Re: posted this on another thread... seemed to fit again

quote:
Originally posted by webmeister
So people try to help you out and you respond like that.

Nice one



i am sorry.
i just cant help it when i see a girl. on forum, chat or anywhere. its my lowdown.


Posted by AnGeLicK on Jan-27-2004 07:31:

Thumbs down

boring... i have seen this same topic since i joined... die topic! die!


Posted by Max13UT on Jan-27-2004 07:33:

I don't post that often but read a new one of these about once or twice a week. All I have to say is....I Love Trance. I aprreciate all other styles of music as well. Hip hop for the beats, Rock for the riffs, some songs for the lyrics, and of course trance for the melodies and for taking me to another place (and no i don't do drugs). But man seriously, I have only listened to 2 livesets on my computer, our trance scene here in seattle is not that big but we do get headliners to come through, like AVB on the 20th and i go to all the trance parties, never get sick of it. Life is good and trance is gettin better and better. Thanks to TA i also find a new banging tune every day, the vinyl collection is growing too. Trance is ALIVE, to me at least. Lates.


Posted by Oblique Motion on Jan-27-2004 08:54:

I think Gabriel & Dresden are at the forfront of the developing trance scene and will inject fresh life into the more commercial side of trance what normal ppl dont get to listen to


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