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Israeli "Defense" Force - Interview with soldiers

A nice reinforcement of what ive thought about these "soldiers".

Flotser...like ive said before...I hope these type of soldiers die a horrible and painful organ consuming cancer.

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Roi: When I first got to Hebron I wouldn't open fire on little children. And I was sure that if I ever killed or hurt anyone, I'd go so crazy that I'd leave the army. But finally I did shoot someone, and nothing happened to me. In Hebron I shot the legs off of two kids, and I was sure I wouldn't be able to sleep anymore at night, but nothing happened. Two weeks ago I hurt a Palestinian policeman, and that didn't affect me either. You become so apathetic you don't care at all. Shooting is the IDF soldier's way of meditating. It's like shooting is your way of letting go of all your anger when you're in the army. In Hebron there's this order they call "punitive shooting": just open fire on whatever you like. I opened fire not on any sources of fire but on windows where there was just wash hanging to dry. I knew that there were people who would be hit. But at that moment it was just shoot, shoot, shoot.

Read the rest if you want to sicken yourself.

http://harpers.org/NoExit.html

Re: Israeli "Defense" Force - Interview with soldiers

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Originally posted by Cyrus King A nice reinforcement of what ive thought about these "soldiers". Flotser...like ive said before...I hope these type of soldiers die of a horrible and painful organ consuming cancer. Read the rest if you want to sicken yourself. http://harpers.org/NoExit.html

you didnt mention the part where the same kids are throwing molotovs and rocks at old arab ladies, id shoot their legs too.

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Originally posted by Dopey you didnt mention the part where the same kids are throwing molotovs and rocks at old arab ladies, id shoot their legs too.

YEah DOPEY... lets all shoot kids.. its really good. Hey... some may even die...but who cares...theyre arab kids right?

Dopey..is your name actually Roi?

Certainly that IDF soldier is a prick. But why edit the conversation? Why not include the entire discussion taking place between several IDF soldiers for proper context?

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Blau (moderator): Did any of you ever shoot someone? Roi: When I first got to Hebron I wouldn't open fire on little children. And I was sure that if I ever killed or hurt anyone, I'd go so crazy that I'd leave the army. But finally I did shoot someone, and nothing happened to me. In Hebron I shot the legs off of two kids, and I was sure I wouldn't be able to sleep anymore at night, but nothing happened. Two weeks ago I hurt a Palestinian policeman, and that didn't affect me either. You become so apathetic you don't care at all. Shooting is the IDF soldier's way of meditating. It's like shooting is your way of letting go of all your anger when you're in the army. In Hebron there's this order they call "punitive shooting": just open fire on whatever you like. I opened fire not on any sources of fire but on windows where there was just wash hanging to dry. I knew that there were people who would be hit. But at that moment it was just shoot, shoot, shoot. Erez: What do you mean "punitive shooting"? A reaction to something? Roi: Reaction to their shooting. In Hebron there's punitive fire. Shoot at everything you see. Cars, things, anything that moves. It's like taking out your anger on everything. Shooting relaxes you, like meditation. Tzvi: I find what Roi said a bit sick, that shooting people is therapy. Roi: Don't you release stress when you shoot? Tzvi: No, not at all. I don't even have the energy for that anymore. I'm totally apathetic. I've had occasion � I believe everyone here has � to shoot people. Roi: We had a five-day operation in the territories on firing grounds, and basically Bedouins are not allowed to be there. The officer stops the vehicle and asks, "Who's ready?" I step out, another guy steps out, and then about 300 yards from us we see a poor Bedouin shepherd walking out on the grass at the firing ground. The officer says, "Okay, go ahead." We lie down, one bullet to the left of the herd, one bullet to the right of the herd . . . Blau: Why? Roi: Because shooting live ammo has become so fluid, so trivial. Tzvi: You can live with having shot at an old man grazing his sheep? Just like that? If my officer were to tell me to open fire on a shepherd who's obviously not endangering anyone, I would beat my officer up.

Better yet, everybody should read the entire peice rather than selective quotes. But other than that, one could quite conceivably take all the suicide bomber and hamas interviews to show that plenty of Pals have the same "don't give a shit" attitude when it comes to killing children.

The sad fact of the matter is that this mentality is like a growth that is perpetuated by the continuing conflict and both sides will continue to use the transgressions of the other to justify this type of mentality. The whole region sickens me.

what occrider said

but i like this part:

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Roi: I was so close to getting out of the army as psychologically unsuitable, but in the end I stayed out of some feeling of commitment. I don't feel any obligation toward the state or anyone � I don't give a shit. The only reason is that my parents live here, and when I was a kid in third grade someone else defended me, so now it's my turn to do this. No other reason, nothing political or Zionist. Just that others defended me in the past, and now it's my turn.

see the system almost works

Roi needs to be introduced to Unreal Tournament

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Originally posted by tathi Roi needs to be introduced to Unreal Tournament

I think he already has

Tzvi: The only thing I think I understood in this whole situation is that everyone's a shit. Until I got there I used to think we're the bad guys and they're miserable, but now I realize that everyone's a shit in this game. There are no good guys and bad guys. Maybe they're a little more oppressed, but everyone's a shit.

Blau: And you?

Tzvi: I'm a shit

Think that says it all. It's the situation thats the problem people just react to it. Who's created the situation or culd stop it now thats tougher I don't know enough about it to say, I don't think many people do.

I have searched throughout the internet and seen it all when it comes to conflict regions, I have seen Russian soldiers shoot up Chechen villages, Chechen rebels cut off the heads of Russian troops after slicing their throats, pics of suicide bombers after death, as well as Palestinian militants killed by Israeli troops, etc, etc. My point is that after seeing all this we live in one fucked up world and like the last poster Dervish said there is no good guys vs bad guys, its kill or be killed in these places that I have mentioned, truly bloody and sad indeed.

Unless people are willing to make peace among each other then the bloodshed continues. If I was an Israeli troop as a Kafir I would be very suspect of Palestinians and if I was Palestinian I loathe the Israelis for my daily conditions. All this just leads to continuing the cycle of violence. If you have the patience or guts browse and find pics of suicide bombings and why it would instill the fear of God in you if you are Israeli. Good guy and bad guy is relative to each others stance.

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