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Fucking drug users are destroying the scene..

You see I said it.. no matter WHAT you say you CANNOT disprove that. (try me)

Whether its speed, E, (even pot to an extent) etc. your the ones who are destroying the scene.

What's is *almost* worse is ginos and shit who go to raves to be seen. Usually taking drugs, but if their not, they're still showing off their six-pack and being generally assholes.

Fuck you.

s.

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Fucking drug users are destroying the scene.... no matter WHAT you say you CANNOT disprove that. (try me)

Man your wrong get the hell out of here what you talkin about how am I distroying the scene ha... you got that wrong idea man. only stupid drug users are the ones fucking it up. the ones that dont watch what they do. dont say shit like that. You wana come see me at a rave? you will see that Im like every one else there, having a good time and enjoing the music just every one who is normal. just cause some people fuck up by taking drugs doent mean you gota hate every one who takes drugs... If I were to meet you at a rave and you and I chilled together, you would see that I would be perfectly normal, but then after the whole night is over and I told you I was rolling the whole time, would you hate me then? man come on give this shit a brake this is absulot bullshit you hate people for a stuped resson

You can hate people who take drugs all you want I guess, your the one who will be ignorant. As for me im going to keep on taking them So you cant stop me and no other person can.



My point is hate the people who abuse the drugs and dont use them responsibly and not the people who know what the are doing and are useing them properly ....shit





MG

Im with you man ^^^^^^

Sounds like this dude is on bad come down......
Who are you kidding??
How are we ruing the scene. Is it yours?? We go to have a good time the same as you, and so we like to expand our senses a little. If its what we enjoy then shut the hell up. We who use drugs (responsibly) dont do anything to alter the show or event, if anything we ad to it.
I think you need to think about what you're saying and maybe change your words a little to target the ones who dont know what they're doing, and go over board a little too much. Cause I will agree with you there. They're the ones giving it a bad name. But still if thats what they enjoy....who are we or you to say anything about it..?

Get some sleep sylphin
Peace

Re: Im with you man ^^^^^^

>My point is hate the people who abuse the drugs and dont use them
> responsibly and not the people who know what the are doing and are
> useing them properly

Tell that to the cops or try explaining that to your parents...

Dont get me wrong I'm not judging (any of) you as people and I'm just as much raver as the rest of you.. Just that I'm at a point where I'm getting pissed about evreything going bonkers evreywhere... and dont want to see raves shutdown at 3am or whatever crazy quick-fix it law the governments wants to put into effect. Do you?.. you've got to realise that the people in charge of this world do not understand if your taking drugs responsibly? (is there such thing??.. you can't say yes because you don't really know for sure.. ) So guys/gals, grow up, you'll see the world in a different light...

Its obvious that people that dont know how to do drugs generate bad press but ask yourself, did you ALWAYS know what you were doing? does evreyone always know what they're doing?

hmmmm.... i never done drugs.... never had too... was always in love with the music from the start......

But as a thought.......
If ur really in love with the music, and u'd enjoy it no matter what... why would u need drugs to enhance ur enjoyment to the music?....shouldnt it come normally?...... The way i see it is that u should have the same feelings about music as u would if u were totally fucked up?.... I dont know, thats my opinion cuz i havent done any drugs... Its just hard for me to understand how u can have a better time half baked and not knowing what u did that night than having remebered the greatest live set ur fav dj spun that night???.....
hmmmmmmm.... Opinions?? >>

sylphin let me ask you do you drink?



and Timewarp let me tell I enjoy the music when im not on anything as much as when I am.... And do I know how grate the set was when im half baked yes I do I remember it and love it...

Alright, I agree there are idiots that ruin it, I've seen so many people get caught at the doors of clubs, and they're like "uhhhh yeah, i forgot to hide it, im so sorry!!".....what the hell is that?! people actually think the bouncer is gonna be cool with it with all the cops around....and has the nerve to ask for it back as well!!!...I think these are the people who are stupid....

Secondly, I got E inside the guv in front of the bouncer from a girl!!!, and I saw a couple of times the bouncers smoking up, they're in on it as well, and cops will find any kind of reason to shut it down, just because its underground....

and we don't need drugs to enjoy the music, i go clubbing like once or twice a month (thats when i do whatever i do!) and listen to trance everyday...so figure it out!!! and even when im clubbing, i dont see myself as totally fucked up, its just it heightens my senses, I remember pretty much everything that happened to me, or that is of any relevance to me, and the music as well!!!!

nah...it's not the drugs..it's the people...some people are assholes no matter what..some people are nice as hell on drugs, but when they are sober there pricks....Anyway, I do agree that these kids that go just to do drugs are fucking wankers....but I love to do E once and awhile..it's a real treat

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Originally posted by sylphin Tell that to the cops or try explaining that to your parents... Dont get me wrong I'm not judging (any of) you as people and I'm just as much raver as the rest of you.. Just that I'm at a point where I'm getting pissed about evreything going bonkers evreywhere... and dont want to see raves shutdown at 3am or whatever crazy quick-fix it law the governments wants to put into effect. Do you?.. you've got to realise that the people in charge of this world do not understand if your taking drugs responsibly? (is there such thing??.. you can't say yes because you don't really know for sure.. ) So guys/gals, grow up, you'll see the world in a different light...

it sounds to me like your point should be "fucking government and people in charge of this world are destroying the scene."

seeing shit like this pisses me off....who the fuck are u to come in here and just assume that everyone does drugs...you're no fucking better than the media and thousands of others who associate electronica with drugs...i do drugs and will continue to do so but don't tell me i'm ruining the scene...

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Originally posted by sylphin Fucking drug users are destroying the scene.. You see I said it.. no matter WHAT you say you CANNOT disprove that. (try me) Whether its speed, E, (even pot to an extent) etc. your the ones who are destroying the scene. What's is *almost* worse is ginos and shit who go to raves to be seen. Usually taking drugs, but if their not, they're still showing off their six-pack and being generally assholes. Fuck you. s.

dude, drugs are what created the scene in the first place!!
do u seriously think house music would've taken off the way it did in the early 80's without the drugs?! i doubt it!!

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Originally posted by TranceGeek dude, drugs are what created the scene in the first place!! do u seriously think house music would've taken off the way it did in the early 80's without the drugs?! i doubt it!!

I wouldn't go as far as sayin that drugs created this scene, but Drugs are a major factor in the developement of the scene. True the scene probably wouldn't be anywhere near it is today if the drugs weren't there. Now if you think about it... Drugs helped created the scene, so if it helped create it, then it could probably help destroy it too (I don't think that will happen)... I just think some drugs shouldn't be a part of the scene, mainly "G"... think about it, how many overdoses that happen at raves are "G" related.. way too many... If you ask me it's ignorance that's destroyin the scene (that may include some drug users and non-drug users)!... Now think about this.... years ago we couldn't even have parties in legal city buildings at all (remember the abandoned building days?) and now we can, so are we really destroying the scene??????

Fucking drug users are destroying the scene..


There Would not be a scene to destroy if it werent for drugs, but then again, look at clubs and what alchohol does, the effects are pretty much the same

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Originally posted by Some One Fucking drug users are destroying the scene.. There Would not be a scene to destroy if it werent for drugs, but then again, look at clubs and what alchohol does, the effects are pretty much the same

Aye... Drunk driving accidents every single weekend mostly after last call.

you're fuckin dummy......

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Originally posted by sylphin Fucking drug users are destroying the scene.. You see I said it.. no matter WHAT you say you CANNOT disprove that. (try me) Whether its speed, E, (even pot to an extent) etc. your the ones who are destroying the scene. What's is *almost* worse is ginos and shit who go to raves to be seen. Usually taking drugs, but if their not, they're still showing off their six-pack and being generally assholes. Fuck you. s.

Time to lash out........cause I can

Drugs give the scene culture. I love to escape and let loose from regular day to day bullshit. It's the abusing overdosers that fuck it up...
the stupid fucks that think 5 E's aren't enough and that maybe if they went on 10 more with some G.....everything would be kickass....
stupid stupid stupid stupid.........with any substance, there is still responsibility...

AND YOU........YOU DUMB FUCK
speed: gimme a fuckin break<-----truck drivers use speed
E: The Ultimate Club Drug there is<------better than drinking
Pot: when was the last time someone died of a pot overdose<---you stupid fuck

it's the drugs like
Katamine, GHB, Horein

Have you ever seen someone ready to kink out on G before........???it's not pretty???.........have you ever seen someone on horein, wrapped up in garbage bags and shakin with a smile on their face......???must be fun???
and K: works really well when my cat is pissing me off....it puts the fuckin thing to sleep



I do agree with you on that Gino thingy but that can't be said for all of them...........
the people that ruin it are the following:

Euro beat Gino's
Snobby sluts
People that think Drugs ruined the scene
Drug Dealers
Drug Abusers
People that are too mature for Glowsticks
Commercial DJ's and Producers




that's enough outta me......I'm done here

> sylphin let me ask you do you drink?

Sure.. I've also done e and speed if your interested (not for a long time mind you)

>There Would not be a scene to destroy if >it werent for drugs, but then again, look >at clubs and what alchohol does, the >effects are pretty much the same

I totally disagree (too a point). Do you believe that in the UK when the first started throwing parties that the DJs though lets mix drugs and dance music?.. OF COURSE NOT!, (most) promotors are legit (wish all were), most dj's aren't (weren't) there to make people trip out. I think the scene would be smaller if drugs were less prelevant (probably would be much better too.. cause it'd keep all teh abusers out)

Phase: I totally do not assume people do drugs!!..

Debating over alcool and E is POINTLESS!!.. true alcool is harmless in moderation.. but is E really harmless?.. do you *REALLY* know.. you have to understand that there's a fine line with drug control policy..

For pot.. for example, I believe its illegal because (I find) people get more often high on pot, then drunk on alcool... proportionally.. (that is people having a glass of wine for supper).. but I dont want to get into that..

>it sounds to me like your point should >be "fucking government and people in >charge of this world are destroying the >scene."

Of course, but they have to draw a line somewhere.. there's a gray area on both sides, and they decided that people taking illegal chemicals is on the bad side. Seriously, by legalising E, the population would be less productive, having to recover to 2 days after a club night/party.. (or something along those lines..).

ie. the government wants to keep you productive (I'm sure that's not a surprise to you)

Maybe the day will come where E (or speed) or whatever, will be viewed as a harmless substance, but the government is just trying to protect evreyone, the law has to be set somewhere no?


>speed: gimme a fuckin break<-----truck >drivers use speed

So does airforce pilots.. so inherntly its 'safe'.. but lets have kids taking at all night parties, unknown quality, if it was really safe, it'd be called in the pharmacy (dont kid yourself, it'd be there pharmasutecal compagnies would be right there)

>E: The Ultimate Club Drug there >is<------better than drinking

Says who?.. I've NEVER read a serious article (published by a REPUTABLE source) that says that.. once again, its VERY much a gray area.. (like pot). What I know is an article saying that casual regular use results in loss brain cells (in rats)

>Pot: when was the last time someone >died of a pot overdose<---you stupid >fuck

Totally different subject, closer to the middle of the 'gray area' than E.

There's nothign wrong with pot, there is something wrong wiht people getting stoned like crazy (just like there's something 'wrong' with people getting bombed with alcool)


What my point is again, is that I'm fed up with the shutdowns, regulations, cops at parties, making it nearly impossible for small promotors to throw good parties, etc.. And only cause of all these regulations (headaches) are 'drugs'.

(bleh i'm tired now)

Re: you're fuckin dummy......

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Originally posted by KevinExcite I do agree with you on that Gino thingy but that can't be said for all of them........... the people that ruin it are the following: Euro beat Gino's Snobby sluts People that think Drugs ruined the scene Drug Dealers Drug Abusers People that are too mature for Glowsticks Commercial DJ's and Producers

Took the words right out of ma mouth

Hey all...
Everyone has valid points here, but I'm wondering.. when you take some synthesized drug, do you wonder about the sloppy chemistry behind it or the permanent neurological effects of some substance that has no natural metabolic pathway? I mean.. to put it in plain English, how do you know that the byproducts of the breaking down process of the synth'd drugs that you take aren't dangerous to you in the long term? I know no one likes to think about that.. I'd personally never touch any synth'd drug but I wouldn't be as reluctant with drugs like pot, shrooms, caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol. We've been exposed to these chemicals ever since we've been little furry rat-sized critters scurrying around the trees millions of years ago, so naturally we've evolved ways to break them down relatively harmlessly to say LSD which does not exist in nature. Not to mention that a lot of these synth reactions don't go all the way to completion, nothing really ever does - so you're left with a bunch of impurities, even if in trace amounts. Then again, everyone's exposed to other synth'd compounds like preservatives, etc.. but at least their content of impurities is government regulated, unlike some guy sitting in a lab somewhere thinking of his next cash payment after he produces the next batch.

I'm bored so I'll shit out some more words.. MDMA in the short run causes an increase of seratonin producing neurons - could be a good thing as depression has been linked with not having enough seratonin producing neurons, but brain tumors are also neuronal growths.. fun eh? MDMA over multiple exposures also causes a radical shift in brain structure.. what's that mean? who knows? we hardly know shit about the brain. Usually they call this structure changing, brain damage. We won't know until some time from now when we're all old enough to make some nice statistics. Enough rambling

Just some food for thought,
- V

"PLUR" msg of the day: Take drugs, don't take drugs, just love the music.

^^^^ Good Point ^^^^

Thanks man
You can never be too educated, but you also get your point across with out preaching or bashing.
I respect that....

Peace

that's true........

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Originally posted by Vastator .. MDMA in the short run causes an increase of seratonin producing neurons - could be a good thing as depression has been linked with not having enough seratonin producing neurons

hmmmm.....I don't know for sure, but I thought mdma depletes serotonin ....( seratonin- is your personality )......do you ever notice at the end of a night or during, that people on E become monotonous...( not to everybody, but it happens )....and would that be the reason that some serotonin in their brain has depleted...


now there's something that makes more sense....If E was good for you...don't you think they would've legalized it

I believe that substance abuse is bad for you........doing drugs every now and again or doing small doses shouldn't be that harmful

Re: that's true........

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Originally posted by KevinExcite hmmmm.....I don't know for sure, but I thought mdma depletes serotonin ....( seratonin- is your personality )......do you ever notice at the end of a night or during, that people on E become monotonous...( not to everybody, but it happens )....and would that be the reason that some serotonin in their brain has depleted...

Cool that you brought that up.. I was talking more about the permanent structural changes of the brain... What E does, is that it prevents the uptake of seratonin from the receptors.. Your brain is always releasing seratonin from one nerve cell to another, and when the receiving nerve cell gets a seratonin signal, it acts on it and removes the seratonin from its receptor. So here's where E comes into the picture, it doesn't let that seratonin be removed, so the receiving nerve cell permanently acts on that signal until the E is broken down naturally. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing right? Well the brain isn't a defenceless organ like you might have thought, so it sees that something is fucking with the seratonin levels, says to itself, "Well shit, it looks like I'm making too much seratonin, and even if I'm not, gotta turn down the levels a bit".. So when E wears off, you're left with really low seratonin levels which physically manifests itself as the 'coming down' phase of the high, since you've now got the seratonin levels of a severely depressed individual =)

It's amazing how much fun science can ruin haha... (if you like eating cookies and donuts don't ever take lipid biochemistry)

Peace,
- V

DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS
WHICH ARE GOOD AND WHICH ARE BAD?
DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS
ASK YOUR MOM AND ASK YOUR DAD.

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Originally posted by sooper DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS WHICH ARE GOOD AND WHICH ARE BAD? DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS ASK YOUR MOM AND ASK YOUR DAD.

LOL... yeah that commercial was halarious.

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Originally posted by sooper DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS WHICH ARE GOOD AND WHICH ARE BAD? DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS ASK YOUR MOM AND ASK YOUR DAD.

Fuck, that was an intelligent post (in a serious thread).. Can't you contribute anything remotely serious

syl

I think this thread deserves nothing more than that so-called stupid post. Who the fuck crowned you King Sylphin??? People have been doing drugs since before you were a crazy idea in your dad's mind. They were here long before your precious scene and will be here long after. Drugs didn't ruin the scene, PEOPLE DID. Did you think it would last forever? You're just gonna have to live with it.....and you're definitely not gonna solve anything by making stupid threads like this one. You wanna fix things, then build yourself a goddamn time machine because you aren't gonna make much progress without one.

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