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showing off and prodcution
"Hey, do you know what I have done since 3 three weeks now. I downloaded a cool programm called Fruity Reason Acid, and now I am PRODUCING. Yeah, I have made some cool remixes, which really sound nearly PRO.
And I might get signed, since the uncle of my ex girl friend's boss knows someone who has a trancelabel. And I played my song once too him, and he said, really good.
And a cousin of my best friend's grandpa knows Ferry Corsten's aunt very well so I also gonna give Ferry Corsten a demo and looks if we can producer something together...." bla bla bla
Do you know them ? People, who always talk about their next release ( which will actually be never ), who tell you how many cool people they know ( but these cool people don't know them ) and who tell you with a big proud face: I am producing trance ( sounding like out of a gameboy with a stolen bassdrum and some sampled pads ). 
I just wonder if is everywhere in the world the same story ( of if it just my own personal experience )
Since I "produce trance" I met so many "Pro"s and so called "experts" , ...
Is is a side effect of music production culture, showing off and telling everyone how great you are and how many famous artists you know in order to find at least one person who believes it ?
What are your experiences in the "Buisness" ?
Trancevision
oh god.. i hate those people that think they know everything becaus they have great ideas in their head and are sure that it's just to get some program, make the track and then they will get it signed...
suckers... hehe 
oh.. and btw.. i'm sure i will get signed.. caus i know this guy on the net that looks like tiesto... this must mean that i will get signed.. doesn't it???
I don't know any other people that 'produce' like me. I have to say though that people might look strange at me when I talk about my music too. I'm not bragging I hope, I'm just talking about my music like as if it's the best sex ever (for me). I also dislike saying I 'produce' since that's such a sad name for the wonderful sounds we can create. When a girl or anybody asks me what it is I actually do when I'm locking myself up with my music. I'm going all crazy, I'm saying I got this huge idea, and I hope that I could be one of the 20.000 demos that gets selected lol. I have a rather dry view on getting signed, I say if you don't know anybody that could help you get signed out there, your chances drop another 70% or so But my friends, so the people that know what it is I'm trying to do, know that all I really want is to spin my vinyl, and see the crowd freak on it 
Like most of us here no ?
What I actually DO dislike, and meet alot. Is the following : 'So you make music or what ?' 'Yes I try too' 'So .. you got ejay or something ? I can do that too' @_@ Always makes me laugh, I don't even try to explain anymore
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| Originally posted by BelgianGuru What I actually DO dislike, and meet alot. Is the following : 'So you make music or what ?' 'Yes I try too' 'So .. you got ejay or something ? I can do that too' @_@ Always makes me laugh, I don't even try to explain anymore |
I haven't really met anyone that brags like that.
Also everyone i know hate trance anyway lol
What is "Prodcution"? Is that a mix between Production and Execution? Sounds like this person you're speaking of is committing a prodcution if they're going around bragging like that (instead of getting busy on a mix). hahaha
i HATE it when someone goes "DUDE!! i made this PHAT beat, its like up there with ferry and solar stone" and you listen to it ... and alls they did was past a loop in Acid, a loop that youve heard 400,000 times before. when that happens i want to do one of two things: 1 say "good job your well on your way to becomeing famous!" and hope they go home and get bored with 'producing' becasue they are so 'good' at it never doing it again, or 2 if they have protential at all rip them a new asshole, telling them everything that is wrong with there song and just about killing there spirits.
...anyway side note...
trancevision:
i think that yes every music community is like that at one level or another. Trying to hype your own stuff is part of the biz at some point, but the people who are truly great producers dont need to say a thing, they just play there song. if they are good, they are usually humble about it. personaly i can spot the people you described from a mile away, they are all talk, and i just try to stay away from them.
if you want to get into the industry you have to start at the bottem, there is no other way. if you wanna be a producer first you must be a really shitty producer. You cant become a better producer if you first dont think you are shitty, there is no room for improvement if you think you are good already. ever seen americal idole? i have more respect for the last guy that was on last night ("she bangs, she bangs" i think that was him) because unlike anyother singer he knew that he was shitty and he gave it his all anyway. however the people who are HORIBLE and who also have this attitude that "i am gods gift to music" make you wanna go up there and kick them in the face. you know that if they say 'Im going to blow you away" and they dont even come close then they will never improve, and should take simons advice and GET A NEW FUCKING LIFE. i think that the indusrty will always be stuck with them on the surface but they will never really get in. Oh well they are fun to laugh at.
bondor
I'm proud to say that I don't know anyone like that at all =P
Well you guys are right but also Harsh.
I used to Chop up Ejay To peices making my own melody from loads of little parts, the whole screen would look like it had been in a cheese grater, but it worked. BUT SERIOUSLY, I wish someone had said 'Go download Fruity' Alot earlier, I wasted so much of my life on that ejay program, I used to say 'HEY I COULD MAKE THAT SHIT IN EJAY', it used to piss off my mates. Now when I do make stuff that Ive worked really hard on, using effects Ive learnt and Parameters Ive studyed for ages, when I do show my mates they say 'SO?, you could make that in ejay right?'
I dug myself into a hole.
But seriously Guys, there is so many stages of production and you have to admit, there was times where you thought you knew everything, because it makes you comfy producing. Thinking you have and know all the skills is relaxing. I know alot now, but I still dont know how to work a harware mixer, Im shitting my pants. I cant Dj either....... bollocks.
I can see how its anoying though, I used to call anything with Kick on each beat over 4/4 easy unoriginal crap, now I spend hours on getting it right in the mix.
Well I'm actually a bit like that myself. Well, not the boasting twat kinda guy, but more about the fact that I keep promising myself I'll produce one day.
"Yeye, once my new DAW is finished, I'll start producing, got plenty of good idea's in my head (which I probably have forgotten the day after)". Stuff like that. But it never happens. It always gets reported.
The problem is, I see everything from a technical point of view. I'm also studying for audio engineer (and if my dream could come through, I would gladly become a mastering engineer) what probably doesn't help the problem. For one, I'm busy with audio day in day out, so the last thing I wanna do at home is still fiddle around with synths and stuff like that (the main reason why I havent touched my turntables in months).
But the main problem is that technical view. One of my friends produces pretty good tracks, and when he let's me hear his promo's, I never listen to the music for the first time (guess that's why he comes to me too). I'm always trying to listen what reverb he put on, how he compressed the drums and if that really helped in the mix... One time he even invited me making a tune with him in his studio. I think we "produced" for about an hour, and after that I ended up opening his comp for changing something in his configuration, recabling stuff because there was something annoying happening (buzz or something like that don't remember), explaining him why really use a compressor, stuff like that.
But still, I strongly believe that one day (when civilisation is at an end probably) I will produce. The fact is, I don't know what I would produce. I love trance, but I love sooo much. For all I care I could even make videogame music or an orchestral soundtrack (like that will happen).
But
/boasting mode on
Yes, my next tune will be the best anthem ever made, and I'll rule you all until eternity, muhahahah 
/boasting mode off
Or not... Time will tell.
Heh, I used to be massively egotistical like that.
"Dude, check out this AWESOME song I made in Music Generator 2!11 I'm going to get signed for shuuuure..."
Now, at the point where I don't completely suck, I am wholly unsatisfied with the production quality that I put out. 
Go fig.
I'm humble about my "production" I still can�t come up with a danceable track, so I allways say I'm experimenting (Instead of saying I suck) hehehehe, I have never met anyone with that kind of ego here, but also I don't mingle with producers here. They have the "go work your ass off" first and then come to us attitude towards newbies.
I personally try to be grounded about my work, when my friends say "he makes trance" I quickly tell them "don't say that, if they ask me to show my work how do I prove you right" lol I'm hoping I can keep getting better (I can listen to the difference between my first tracks and now) but I still consider myself a newbie..
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| Originally posted by Cuervo79 I'm humble about my "production" I still can�t come up with a danceable track, so I allways say I'm experimenting (Instead of saying I suck) hehehehe, I have never met anyone with that kind of ego here, but also I don't mingle with producers here. They have the "go work your ass off" first and then come to us attitude towards newbies. I personally try to be grounded about my work, when my friends say "he makes trance" I quickly tell them "don't say that, if they ask me to show my work how do I prove you right" lol I'm hoping I can keep getting better (I can listen to the difference between my first tracks and now) but I still consider myself a newbie.. |
DJ thy, a mixing engineer?
So you WANT to mix OTHER peoples Rap, Pop, Dance and rock tracks, fun??
sure as hell beats most of the 9-5 jobs if you ask me !
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| Originally posted by Damie Mckeown DJ thy, a mixing engineer? So you WANT to mix OTHER peoples Rap, Pop, Dance and rock tracks, fun?? |
, the extra cash is the least of my interest. I'm doing sound because I love it. It's my life. The problem is I have just so many things to do (which I love) that I can't decide what comes first. For now producing doesn't get my full attention, but who says it will stay that way...
i don't think too many people know that i try and produce outside of immediate family and the internet hehehe...its not something i usually talk to people about...i've been waiting until i do hit it big...then i'll talk lots of shit hehehe 
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| Originally posted by Dj Thy And Bozor, nice to see support like that , the extra cash is the least of my interest. I'm doing sound because I love it. It's my life. The problem is I have just so many things to do (which I love) that I can't decide what comes first. For now producing doesn't get my full attention, but who says it will stay that way... |
I know one guy who just never creates music on his own (always with some friend who knows what he's doing) and is telling me that he is going to buy all the shit to create professional music and make money with selling his great productions... dream on, dude.
I don't actually know people around who produce music as "seriously" as I do. I don't brag about my music, but I want as many people as possible to listen at it, and give comments. Most of my friends think it sounds good but don't have pro ears and don't give any comments I can use.
That's why I joined this forum. And here I find that I have so many things yet to learn, it's so cool! A good friend of mine who is into DJ-ing too says there's so much crap in record stores, and that my music beats it and so do many productions here! But the crap is signed, and most of you, and me included, are not. Not that we care, we just love to create music and learn about it. Of course, someday I hope to spin vinyl with my own tracks on it, and that's not even for the money, just a peace of vinyl would be so cool
One other point. Smoothing around and having connections can really boost your chances, just to know people in the industry can bring you into some studio... or whatever, you never know.
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| I know one guy who just never creates music on his own (always with some friend who knows what he's doing) and is telling me that he is going to buy all the shit to create professional music and make money with selling his great productions... dream on, dude. |
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| Originally posted by Trancevision LOL I know exactly someone like this, and his friend has so much talent that they got signed. lucky bastard Trancevision |
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| Originally posted by Trancevision LOL I know exactly someone like this, and his friend has so much talent that they got signed. lucky bastard Trancevision |
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| by floorfiller ... leech off of other talent ... |
no, not when it comes to producing, same as floorfiller, not many ppl know, couple of guys on school know i got some kind of keyboard hooked up to my pc but thats about it, my mom doesn't has a clue what i'm up to, and neither do i most of the time
only my uncle knows, well i think he does, he often mails me stuff about cubase/reason workshops, midi related stuff etc, i don't know how and why he ends up at such websites, guess he doesn't has anything better to do
but anyway, answer to your question. no, i don't
do know tons of ppl who talk about dj-ing that way, while they in reality never have touched a fader in ther whole misrable lifes
I got a kick in the ass when I first started and this really was helpful. As most people think their shit doesnt stink when they first start. I showed a DJ a track that I thought rocked (I listen to it now and cringe) I was put right back in my hole. This was a good thing (TM).. Only after a year I got the confidence to show this same DJ another track. He loved it. I had won the respect of this guy. It meant much more to me to know he was giving me a non biased opinion. I think those who hype everything up at the start are crushed at sometime. They then have two options- Give up or shutup and get back into your hole and produce for a few years
I have major respect for a producer (who lurks on this board).. I heard his stuff on mp3.com.au and loved it. He eventually won a producers comp in australia and got the oppertunity to do a live set at a huge rave (among say.. Above and Beyond!) After his set I came upto him and started worshiping him...
His only responce.. "I had no idea what I was doing up there!" We partied the night away and not once did he even mention himself or his set through out the night. A very modest producer indeed. Respect.
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