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Posted by Magicflight on Feb-08-2004 05:08:

Turntables - what to buy?

Hi!!

I am planning to buy a set of turntables. but it is only for home use/mixing. my only demands are it will go well with Trance mixing and a little scratching now and then. I cant afford Technics tt's. but im sure there are ok alternatives.

I have looked at these 2 tables so far:

1) Stanton Str8-30B with a premounted 500B Cartridge(is it a good cartridge?):
www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=04...ase_pid/801074/

2) Numark TT200:
www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=04...ase_pid/800390/

I need all the feedback i can get....

Thanks.


Posted by djlemeir on Feb-08-2004 07:22:

get the tt200.
they compare to stanton 80s


Posted by trancintaiwan on Feb-08-2004 07:41:

what is the most your willing to spend? you might be able to get better tables.


Posted by Wildfir3 on Feb-08-2004 10:56:

Really, if you can't afford technics or a good alternative, try not to buy utter crap anywayz. Go for at least str8-80's. Because otherwise chances are you're gonna regret it in no time. Save up, wait a little longer, and buy something worth the money.


Posted by Magicflight on Feb-08-2004 13:00:

OK.

djlemeir are comparing the TT200 with Stanton str8-80. and $250 is the limit. so what am i best of with comparing those 2 tables?

another aspect of this, is to get some proper needles. my only demands are they will go well with trance mixing and are able to handle a little scratching now and then. and here im sorry to say again, that money is a issue. so what should i go for???

Thanks for your help


Posted by trancintaiwan on Feb-08-2004 17:47:

lol... if u can only spend 250 on a whole set, dont bother getting tables. i would just wait and work until i have enough money to get better tables. you can find awesome deals on ebay or anywhere else all the time. for $600 i saved up. i got one mk2, one m3d, and a numark dxm-06. defnitely save up


Posted by Magicflight on Feb-08-2004 17:50:

dont get me wrong. i didnt ment $250 on a hole set. but $250 on each table. and then comes the needles....


Posted by djlemeir on Feb-08-2004 17:52:

yeah save up.
as for needles, if ur starting off, u mite as well get stanton 500"s.
there not the best but its more than enuff


Posted by trancintaiwan on Feb-08-2004 17:55:

!!!!! 250 on each table? and ur getting str8 30's. you can definitely get an mk2 on ebay for 250. here.. check out this link too. www.musicgoround.com or go here, www.craigslist.org (for this link you have to choose your area on the right side first, then click the button that says for sale before you search). hope that helps. also, if you are interested, the new ttx1's for numark have a version of it that is non-digital, but with the same exact specs (no led screen) its called tt-500's. these are just as good as the ttx-1's. if you go on ebay you can find them for 230 brand new. thats another option if your looking for new decks. pm me if u have any more questions.


Posted by Magicflight on Feb-08-2004 18:00:

djlemeir: the str8-80 comes with the 520sk needle. will that fill out my needs?


Posted by Dj_Hypnotiq on Feb-08-2004 19:44:

Another way, and I would seriously suggest this if you can find one on Ebay for around $250, check into the Vestax PDX 2000. I own 2 Vestax's, and a Technics 1210mk5g. While I love technics and they were the tables I spun on repeatedly for 4 years, I can honestly say Vestax made a beleiver out of me. They have serious torque, way more than even my Tech. 1210mk5g. and they are built like tanks especially the tone arm it feels like it's made out of mag light casings; plus the tone arm is virtually unskipable, you can litteraly hit the side of the table with your fist while a record is playing, and the needle won't skip or even jump! If you find a good deal on Technics go with those they're damn reliable, but if you have the money go Vestax you won't be disapointed!


Posted by Magicflight on Feb-08-2004 20:04:

well....i have never tried shopping through Ebay. so im a little afraid by paying upfront.

is the Stanton str8-80 tt such a bad unit? and then a needle to aprox. $50?

i know many in here are hardware fanatics. but when it it for home use only, i can imagine other, than it is a fine turntables for my use.

or im i totally of track??


Posted by `pr0digy on Feb-08-2004 20:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Magicflight
well....i have never tried shopping through Ebay. so im a little afraid by paying upfront.

is the Stanton str8-80 tt such a bad unit? and then a needle to aprox. $50?

i know many in here are hardware fanatics. but when it it for home use only, i can imagine other, than it is a fine turntables for my use.

or im i totally of track??


As long as you pick someone with a decent feedback rating, you'll be fine. I wouldn't just pass up on the eBay idea that quickly mate, as I bought both m3d's off of it for $300 a pop, and they both came with great carts and needles, along with slipmats. Realize that your fear of eBay is rather unjustified... You could be getting Tech 1200's instead of Stanton str8-80's for about the same price, so give it a look.


Posted by Dj_Hypnotiq on Feb-08-2004 20:21:

The problem with these units is the torque, and anybody on here can tell you torque means "everything", when it comes to making your mixes being smooth. I can say if you do buy the STR8- 80's, and after playing with them awhile. You'll only wind up wishing you had saved up for Vestax, or Technics later. And problem is you'll lose alot of money if you have to sell off the Stantons later, to get Technics, or Vestax. Don't make the same mistake I did, when I started out long ago don't buy hype. Buy what is proven to work and not quit on yas, and the only two companies with that reputation are Technics, & Vestax. Trust me I'm only trying to help you make the right choice, and save you alot of money, and wasted time! I cannot empahasize how much I mean seriously don't buy the Stanton hype, save up and get what is proven to work. You'll be way, way, way, happier with Technics, or Vestax. Or don't listen to everybody's advice and get the Stantons or Numarks, you'll just wind up kicking yourself later!


Posted by Magicflight on Feb-08-2004 20:45:

OK.

Thanks for your oppinions. im sad to hear that nothing else but vestax or tech's are good enough.

but i dont wanna buy stuff that i will regret after a few months.


Posted by trancintaiwan on Feb-08-2004 20:49:

no... thats not necessarily true. you should check out the numark ttx-1's or the tt-500's. and for stanton you should check out the str8-100's or the str8-150's. all those tables have gotten solid reviews especially the ttx1-'s tt-500's and the str8-150's. i've even heard that the str8-100's are durable and consistent. although i cant say the same for the rest of the stanton and numark lines.


Posted by Dj_Hypnotiq on Feb-08-2004 22:09:

Well it would be nice if the TTX1 was a good table, I work at Guitar Center and have used all the Turntables that we carry. And the thing about the TTX1 is that while the torque is there, it only takes a little pressure being applied to stop the platter dead in it's tracks. I'm sure you'd agere that Technics does not suffer this problem, nor does Vestax in my experience. We have'nt gotten the TT500 yet, so I'll just assume it carries the same problems the TTX1 carries! for instance the changeable tonearm will cut your turntables tone arm life in half; not a good thing, everytime you change the tonearm it wears down the connectors till you'll get an annoying static sound that won't go away ever. But I hear Numark is addressing these problems in the TTX2, so If your thinking about going Numark wait for the TTX2. Plus I used a buddies TTX1 at a live performance once and during mid set the tonearm came out of the socket and ran a needle accross and destroyed a record of mine so "BUYER BEWARE". The Stantons well they both th1 STR8- 100/150 both pick up alot of feedback if a speaker is anywhere near them, and unfortunately the tonearm is cheap and plasticey feeling. And it requires little force down on the platter to stop the platter dead in it's tracks, so they suck for scratching and mixing all in general. This is from first hand experience, the Stantons, and Numarks are all hype and carry useless features. And I love that Bullshit claim that the STR8-150's have 4.4 kg. of torque, yeah I put that table next to a Vestax and a Technics and can assure that it is a load of crap the Stantons can't keep up with the Techs or Vestax, and do not even compare to the mighty Technics or Vestax tables!


Posted by trancintaiwan on Feb-08-2004 23:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj_Hypnotiq
Well it would be nice if the TTX1 was a good table, I work at Guitar Center and have used all the Turntables that we carry. And the thing about the TTX1 is that while the torque is there, it only takes a little pressure being applied to stop the platter dead in it's tracks. I'm sure you'd agere that Technics does not suffer this problem, nor does Vestax in my experience. We have'nt gotten the TT500 yet, so I'll just assume it carries the same problems the TTX1 carries! for instance the changeable tonearm will cut your turntables tone arm life in half; not a good thing, everytime you change the tonearm it wears down the connectors till you'll get an annoying static sound that won't go away ever. But I hear Numark is addressing these problems in the TTX2, so If your thinking about going Numark wait for the TTX2. Plus I used a buddies TTX1 at a live performance once and during mid set the tonearm came out of the socket and ran a needle accross and destroyed a record of mine so "BUYER BEWARE". The Stantons well they both th1 STR8- 100/150 both pick up alot of feedback if a speaker is anywhere near them, and unfortunately the tonearm is cheap and plasticey feeling. And it requires little force down on the platter to stop the platter dead in it's tracks, so they suck for scratching and mixing all in general. This is from first hand experience, the Stantons, and Numarks are all hype and carry useless features. And I love that Bullshit claim that the STR8-150's have 4.4 kg. of torque, yeah I put that table next to a Vestax and a Technics and can assure that it is a load of crap the Stantons can't keep up with the Techs or Vestax, and do not even compare to the mighty Technics or Vestax tables!


well i personally have technics, but i've used the ttx-1's and they seemed perfectly fine. and i have friends who have them and they have no problems with it. maybe guitar center just gets crappy shipments.


Posted by Dj_Hypnotiq on Feb-09-2004 00:34:

Huh are you kidding me? We get the Numark tables from the Numark company distributor here in California the same place all Numarks come from on the West coast. Where do you think they come from some kinda black market dealer. Shit we got a test DEMO of the Numark CDX and I think it is awesome, so I'm not dissing Numark. I'm just stating what is definetly wrong with the TTX1 and why Numark should fix these problems. And as I said all these problems that I listed above are real problems, that Numark is fixing in their new TTX2 model. The tables build quality is there it's just up to Numark to address these very important design flaws. Tell your friends to switch from the S-shaped to the Straight tonearm more than 4 times guaranteed and see what happens. I 100% guarentee the Connector on the TTX1's tonearm will get worn, and cause massive static, and distortions in sound! I have atleast 3 people a month bring back their TTX1's complaining about that same problem. And my only answer is that they took the gamble on the Numark!


Posted by New Deal on Feb-09-2004 01:02:

Yeah, you should definitely consider picking up some used technics or vestax tables-if ebay makes you uncomoforatable, then try www.musicgoround.com; if you order something online, they give you a week or so to check it out and the option to return for a refund Last week I saw some Mk3s for $219 each . They may have been pretty beat, but that's something you can always discuss with them before purchase.



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