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New drugs advertised in the Guardian Paper!
The Guardian newspaper had an article about what might be the new drugs to replace E. i can't remember much of it, but they had quite a bit of news on 2-Ci, and some other stuff call 5-deo-DMT or something and some others.
They were talking about hallucinogenics..and they are all legal via a loophole, as they are "research" chemicals. You can buy them over the internet from...THE USA of all places!!! They are pure but can be pricey. (around 300 dollars a gram) but the effective doses range from 1-20mg!!!
Someone go buy a paper and paraphrase the article!! 
why would E be getting replaced though? Surely just new things are coming onto the scene 
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| Originally posted by swisstoni why would E be getting replaced though? Surely just new things are coming onto the scene |
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| Originally posted by Ste if you get a drug which is a) the same or better than e with similar effect and b) it is lega, it is bound the get replaced methinks? can you buy 2ci form america? |
from what i reme,ber from the article, you can...but if not, then you can buy it from Europe. I do remember in that mixmag article, that 2ci was legal in germany, and has been prescribed by psychologists or something.
The chemicals are also not entirely "legal" as such here, they have yet to be classified...
i reckon if i was gonna be sacraficing a few brain cells and my sanity, i'd rather it were illegal and i knew it was gonna fuck me right up for a few hours, none of this half hearted legal, prescribed nonsy shite
Psychedelics legal in US but banned in UK are openly available on the internet
David McCandless
Monday February 16, 2004
The Guardian
British recreational drug users are turning to a new generation of designer class A drugs from the United States as demand for ecstasy plummets, the Guardian has established.
The majority of these new drugs are powerful synthetic psychedelics from the same chemical families as LSD, magic mushrooms and mescaline. They are too new to have enticing street names; instead their lengthy chemical names are shortened to abbreviations such as 2C-I, 4-HO-DiPT, and 5-Meo-DMT. Unlike ecstasy, methamphetamine or other synthetic recreational drugs, the new compounds are not made in illicit factories or backroom kitchen laboratories. Instead, "research chemicals", as they are euphemistically known, are synthesised by commercial labs, often based in the US, which openly sell their products on the internet.
The rapid growth in the transatlantic online trade in such chemicals has been fuelled by international differences over legality. While Britain has outlawed all of these drugs - under an amendment to the Misuse Of Drugs Act in February 2002 - they remain legal in most other countries, including the majority of EU member states. Even in the US, despite some of the most draconian anti-drug laws in the world, the bulk of research chemicals are legal to manufacture, sell, possess and consume.
With ecstasy dropping in price and popularity, users and dealers in this country are looking further afield to obtain new highs. A recent Home Office survey found that ecstasy use had dropped 21% in the last year. The street price had also dropped to an all time low of �2-�3 a pill.
But while most research chemicals are too psychedelically powerful to make it as club drugs, one, 2C-I, is rapidly gaining popularity in this country as a dance drug, thanks to some similarities in effect to MDMA, the main ingredient of ecstasy. More than 125 pills of the drug were seized by police last year, including 65 at the Glastonbury festival, and some London dealers are offering it for �10 a tablet.
British police acknowledge that the internet drugs trade is a growing problem. "It is one of our key priorities," a spokeswoman for the National Hi-Tech Crime Unit, responsible for policing internet crime, told the Guardian. "Supply of class As is one of the areas we are examining."
Most research chemicals come as crystalline white powder. They can be swallowed, snorted, smoked or injected. Some users prefer to administer them via enema.
Psychedelic stimulants such as 2C-I and 2-CT-2 induce visual hallucinations, energy surges, and euphoria. The most powerful is 5-Meo-DMT, doses of which are smaller than a grain of salt. When smoked, its effects are nearly instantaneous, propelling the user into an alternate reality, described as like "being shot out of the nozzle of an atomic cannon". The experience lasts 10 minutes.
Competitive
Online drug trading is becoming an increasingly competitive and sophisticated industry. Last month, the Guardian revealed that at least five British websites were selling cannabis online.
The leading research chemical sites compete openly to offer the purest product, the best customer service, the fastest deliveries and the lowest prices. Sophisticated e-commerce technology, electronic payment systems and next day courier services guarantee swift, effortless "one-click" transactions. Most sites offer between five and 15 different drugs, with prices ranging from $95 to $350 (about �50-�185) a gram excluding delivery. The maximum order is 5g. Customers must be over 21.
Credit cards and international money orders are accepted. Drugs like 2C-I can be shipped, via UPS or Fedex, worldwide. Next day delivery is often guaranteed. Most will ship to the UK and other EU states with one caveat: "All purchasers are responsible for compliance with any applicable city, county, state, federal or national regulations related to the purchase, possession and use of any and/or all product," reads the disclaimer on one site.
"It's very easy to get them if you know where to go and you're prepared to take the risk," said Charlie, 34, a photographer and graphic designer from south London. He calls himself a regular customer of a research chemicals company based in New York.
Every three months he buys a selection using his credit card. It usually takes three days to arrive via UPS Express. Most recently he made a repeat-order for 1g of 2,5-dimethyoxy-4-ethylthiophenethylamine (or 2-CT-2 for short), a class A psychedelic similar in effect to mescaline. It costs $175 excluding delivery.
"It's pure. You know exactly what you're getting," he said.
Research chemicals are advertised online as 99% lab pure, but experts warn that that does not mean they are safe. Compared with similar drugs like LSD and magic mushrooms, which have undergone decades of informal human experimentation with relatively few direct fatalities, research chemicals are unknowns. Few human or animal toxicity studies have been carried out.
Even their proponents are at pains to point out the unpredictability and danger involved in reckless experimentation. "It is not reasonable to assume that these chemicals are in any way 'safe' to use recreationally," states the FAQ at erowid.org, the internet's biggest underground drug resource. "When you take a research chemical, you are stepping out into the unknown, and you could be the unfortunate person to discover a new drug's lethal dose."
Safety is a big issue among avid users of research chemicals. Detailed "trip reports" and harm reduction tips are shared through an extensive network of websites and bulletin boards. First time users are expected to read up on their drug of choice and start with small amounts.
Nevertheless, with active doses running to hundredths or even thousandths of a gram, overdoses triggering unexpected reactions can be a very real threat, even with electronic scales sensitive to these weights.
In October 2000, Jake Duroy, 20, from Oklahoma, snorted 35mg of a research psychedelic called 2-CT-7 he had ordered from the web. He was an experienced user but this was a massive amount of the drug to take nasally, which can greatly amplify the effect. He quickly became agitated and violent and two hours later died of a heart attack.
In April the following year, a 17-year-old died after snorting a similar amount of the same drug. A year later in July 2002, 2-CT-7 was emergency-scheduled by the US Drug Enforcement Agency. In their statement, they cited information from trip reports on the internet. After these tragedies, 2-CT-7 was removed from the online marketplace and has not reappeared.
Police warning
The EU recently recommended that member states ban 2C-I as a matter of urgency, although they turned up no evidence of large scale manufacture. The police, however, were quick to sound the alarm. "The chemicals to make this are available and it can be made pretty much anywhere," a source said.
Most research chemicals were invented by one man, Californian biochemist Dr Alexander Shulgin, 78. As an expert witness and adviser to the US Drug Enforcement Agency, he held a licence permitting him to study psychoactive drugs. Over decades, he created hundreds of new mind-altering compounds and then tested them on himself and a small coterie of fellow "psychonauts". The recipes for more than 170 of his materials were published in two biochemical cookbooks in the 1990s and now form the backbone of the research chemicals industry.
Despite the risks, Charlie is prepared to order again, although he admits he gets nervous every time. "I track them via the delivery company's website and can watch when they pass through customs safely," he said. "Then I know I can relax."
Strange and outrageous chemicals
DMT Dimethyltryptamine
Found in minute quantities in certain Amazonian plants and in the human brain. Smoked, the effects are nearly instantaneous and very strange. "The closest you'll get to experiencing death bar actually dying" as one user put it.
Dose 2-60mg
Duration Less than 10 minutes
Legal status Class A
Price �100 a gram on the street
5-Meo-DMT Methoxydimethyltryptamine
A more powerful sister compound of DMT, occurring naturally in the venom of the Bufo alvarius toad but generally smoked in synthesised form. Not uncommon for those who take large amounts to suffer psychological and emotional difficulties for weeks afterwards.
Dose 1-20mg (smaller than a grain of salt)
Duration 5-20 minutes
Legal status Class A but available to buy on the internet
Price $175 (about �90) a gram
2C-I (2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodophenethylamine)
Most likely candidate for the coveted title "the next ecstasy".
Powerful psychedelic stimulant described as a cross between MDMA and LSD but with much gentler side-effects. Already appearing in pill form on the UK dance scene.
Dose 10-25mg
Duration 5-8 hours
Legal status Class A but available to buy on the internet
Price $299 a gram web price; �10 a pill on the street
2-CT-2 (2,5-dimethyoxy-4-ethylthiophenethylamine)
Respected psychedelic, from the same phenethylamine family as MDMA and mescaline.
Noted for its warmth and "outrageous visuals".
Dose 10-25mg
Duration 5-8 hours
Legal status Class A but available to buy on the internet
Price $299 a gram web price; �10 a pill on the street
av it
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| Originally posted by swisstoni i reckon if i was gonna be sacraficing a few brain cells and my sanity, i'd rather it were illegal and i knew it was gonna fuck me right up for a few hours, none of this half hearted legal, prescribed nonsy shite |
Psychedelic stimulants such as 2C-I and 2-CT-2 induce visual hallucinations, energy surges, and euphoria. The most powerful is 5-Meo-DMT, doses of which are smaller than a grain of salt. When smoked, its effects are nearly instantaneous, propelling the user into an alternate reality, described as like "being shot out of the nozzle of an atomic cannon". The experience lasts 10 minutes.
fuck me!!!!
nice one ste
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| Originally posted by Ste Psychedelic stimulants such as 2C-I and 2-CT-2 induce visual hallucinations, energy surges, and euphoria. The most powerful is 5-Meo-DMT, doses of which are smaller than a grain of salt. When smoked, its effects are nearly instantaneous, propelling the user into an alternate reality, described as like "being shot out of the nozzle of an atomic cannon". The experience lasts 10 minutes. fuck me!!!! |
I see Trainspotting and Human Traffic will get their UKTA remake soon... 
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| Originally posted by chesco i think the most worrying thing for me is how addictive are these drugs. sure it'll be great the first few times, but what if it has the same long term effects as crack or heroin and could cause dependency. |
5-Meo-DMT
i want some..
I doubt any new lab drugs will replace pills tbh .. not for a long time anyhow .. I for 1 wouldnt want strong visual hallucinations in a club and the fact that they aint as popular yet means getting ahold of them aint so easy in the first place ..
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| Originally posted by Cru5ad3r I doubt any new lab drugs will replace pills tbh .. not for a long time anyhow .. I for 1 wouldnt want strong visual hallucinations in a club and the fact that they aint as popular yet means getting ahold of them aint so easy in the first place .. |
you guys just wait until i come up with my own concotion. I'll be the new Alexander Shulgin 
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| Originally posted by dj_mdma you guys just wait until i come up with my own concotion. I'll be the new Alexander Shulgin |
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| Originally posted by Cru5ad3r Do we have to wait for your hair to turn grey? |
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| Originally posted by UglyDave 5-Meo-DMT i want some.. |
good thread
asking for an institution name is just a probably just a legal requirement, you could make on up and they wouldnt check
hmmm i wonder if ive got some of this stuff im my lab
hehe sweet, i can just use my uni name aand say i'm doing a research experiment
there was an article on 2ci in mixmag a few months back. and there was a bit about it last month. it sounds very very strong.
wow-o, "outrageous visuals" sounds interesting.
i tried 2c-i on Halloween 2004. it far exceeded my expectations. it is better than LSD, Shrooms, Mescaline, and yes, even E. If you are tired of pills and want a smooth hallucination without the mind scramble you normally get from trippin', 2c-i. you are happy, energetic, you can dance, and coherent at all times. 1 thing that always used to get me in trouble on E was doing things i otherwise would not have done. Sure i always had a good time, but i never remembered what i did, but was so kindly filled in with details the following weekend at the clubs when guys i didn't know would try to kiss me. What was always really weird was the fact that i wouldn't recognize many people sober, but I remembered everyone once i ate a pill or 2 or 3 (and eventually more). I don't really roll anymore, and when i do i never 'blow up' or lose myself. i still have fun, though, but I'm over it. So thats why i tried this 2c-i, never heard of it before this night. Anyway, i read several of these threads, and i wanted to share with you how awesome my experience was. NO side effects, during, onset, or after, not even the next day. It was clean. I took a 2nd one right after i came down off the 1st, and it had the same effect as the first. i laughed, i danced, i laughed while i dance; it was the most fun i had had in a while. i hope this thing hits home, because i dont see myself finding any of these chemical researchers online. oh yeah, i only had to take 5mg of 2c-i powder to feel so good. thats all. i hope someone replies.
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