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anyone in here ever tried DMT? care to share your experiences?
In case you didn't already see it:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml
what is it?
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| Originally posted by swisstoni what is it? |
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| Originally posted by swisstoni what is it? |
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| N,N-DMT is a psychoactive chemical in the tryptamine family, which causes intense visuals and strong psychedelic mental affects when smoked, injected, snorted, or (when taken with an MAOI such as haramaline) when swallowed orally. N,N-DMT is most often called just "DMT", although this name sometimes causes confusion with its chemical cousin 5-MeO-DMT. N,N-DMT is present in thousands of species of plants and has been used traditionally in South America both in Ayahuasca brews and snuffs since at least the time of first European contact. N,N-DMT gained significant notoriety in the last 15 years from Terence Mckenna's many glowing rants about the strange visions it can precipitate. |
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| Originally posted by Sand Leaper Just read the damn link will ya (Ok it's a drug, that ought to spark up your interest ) |
i opened the link and there were just too many more headings and links so i couldn't be arsed. now u have given me a kick up the arse, i shall read. ..so like a date rape drug too?
Taking and going off DMT seems such a fucking process though, watching your diet everytime you go off, prepare MAOIs before taking it etc. I guess the trip must be worth all the fuss.
@ toni: nah, it's more like a hallucinogen like LSD or so.
fuck, i never heard of it and don't like the sound of it either 
Here are the effects that one group (edit: allegedly, I dunno if I buy this) of people experienced on DMT:
The Trip: Content and Comments
The basic phenomena of the trip were as highlighted below.
Gracie saw none of the visions described below. In fact, she saw no visions during the trip. She was high and the trip room took on a beautiful jewelled quality. She had no tendency to drift into a trance even though she had taken the same dosage of DMT and mushrooms as Zarkov.
Zarkov could not resist the trance. Strangely, he could talk with ease but could not maintain any other semblance of contact with reality. Any attempt to do so resulted in overwhelming stomach cramps, full body shivers, vertigo and throbbing headache. All of these body symptoms went away if he paid attention to the trance state.
Zarkov's first vision was a stadium full of hostile giant insect creatures that he was familiar with from previous mushroom trips. However, immediately the DMT 'banshee' creatures floated in and sang this message, 'Aren't they a dull and pompous bunch! But don't worry, they can't get at you because we are here.' These 'banshee' creatures were a common occurance in Zarkov's DMT trips.
[picture of two smiling banshees]
The next series of visions were of various aliens that seemed to be trying to sell Zarkov various visions. The banshees continued to accompany the visions and offer comment.
At about the chemical peak of the trip (one hour), the house had a rash of poltergeist phenomena that were jointly observed by both of us. Furthermore, the cats noticed them and followed them as they made their way through the house. The banshees advised Zarkov not to worry about them because 'things like this happen.' This was the last point in the trip where Zarkov could maintain contact with ordinary reality.
The banshees formed a gate next to an alien selling visions indicating that Zarkov should 'buy into' this vision.
By 'going' through the gate, Zarkov found himself someplace else.
This some place else was another world. It no longer seemed like a psychedelic vision, but rather it seemed like a real world. The sun felt warm; when it went down Zarkov felt cool. To move around it was necessary to walk. Wherever he looked, there was a realistic amount of detail. No insubstantial visions, just a real world wherever Zarkov looked. He could eat, walk, swim, fuck and talk to the other characters.
The world was Gracie's fantasy world. Even though she couldn't see it, Zarkov's verbal description matched her world. She could give instructions to Zarkov that he could follow to get around.
The world was a bronze-age city. In the background were green and fertile mountains. The architecture was of massive granite blocks with a poured concrete look about them. The style was neoclassical crossed with Minoan with a touch of Jack Vance. The mise-en-scene made sense and did not appear contrived. The aesthetic sensibility, while of the wretched excess school, was coherent. It was the most beautiful place Zarkov had ever seen, in shades of pink, mauve, purple and gold.
The story line was that of the wierdest heavy metal video ever designed. There were barbaric artifacts and luxury items all over. The world was inhabited by buxom, bottom-heavy, voluptuous nymphos. Zarkov found himself in an elaborate caped outfit, somewhere between Darth Vadar and Ming the Merciless. His entourage was a group of cretinous, long-haired sleazos in heavy metal dress and carrying guitars. The trip consisted of a tour through the city from the wharf to the main temple where a three-day orgy took place.
The world somehow seemed like an isomorphic metaphor to Gracie's personality structure.
The world was coherent and consistent. It had internal rules as inexorable as the 'natural laws' on earth.
It had its own linear time. Subjectively, Zarkov spent three days in the world. Yet this voyaqe was encompassed in a normal six-hour mushroom trip. Furthermore, any attempt to reestablish contact with earth left huge gaps in the story since the world proceeded at its own pace, even if Zarkov wasn't paying attention.
It did not seem like telepathy or a projection from Gracie's head. Rather, we believe that somehow the fantasy world was lifted from Gracie's head and placed in the tryptamine 'library of all time and space' where Zarkov 'read out the diskette .
The only psychedelic aspect to the world was the continual presence of the DMT banshees, albeit they were 'disguised' as a sort of observer/chorus as bats, orchids, etc., throughout the experience.
The DMT acted as a tuner of some sort for the mushroom experience. Certain aspects of the vision seemed characteristically DMT, like the banshees, the extreme time dilation, and the bejewelled colors. The mushroom contributed the epic quality, the exfoliating details and the practical joke quality of the whole set-up.
Such an experience, if controllable, would be extremely useful to a shaman trying to treat mental illness. He could walk through the streets of his patient's mind without the verbal filter of analysis. It might even be possible to make changes in the landscape to effect a cure. The demons lurking in the shadows would be a constant danger, 'You might not come back.'
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1858
A reasonably well respected scientist researched this drug and came up with some very trippy conclusions. He wrote a book about it called something like "The Spirit Molecule" I think... probly worth a look.
it sounds like a form of lucid dreaming, or astral travel with a bit of telekenisis thrown in. sounds like fun, i suppose it depends on how body conscious you are as to if you can handle the physical sensation of the getting high, and if your happy enough to look at weird stuff.
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| The bits that did make sense enough for me to be aware of them were very, very strange indeed. DMT seems mainly to affect the sight, cognition and hearing. The only physical sensations I felt were a choking sensation for much of the time that I was aware, and towards the end of the experience, a feeling that I had had a bowel movement (I hadn't). It turned out later that I had merely been hyper-ventilating. |
slylee - you ever been in a k hole? 
no thank god...i've seen some ppl on K and it just baffles me. it was the first time i was at a major event seeing a major DJ (Oakenfold in 2000 i believe). he was playing "Prophet" and everyone was going nuts...except the ppl in k holes sitting up against a wall w/ their eyes rolling back and their mouths open like a bunch of degenerates.
to each their own... i never will understand people who enjoy psychodelic trips. it's scary shit to lose concept of time and lose control of your thoughts and see stuff that's not there and think it's never going to end. i'm trying to stay away from drugs lately because i'm at that point where i feel i should settle down a bit since i'll be in school again this fall and plus i've done too much already. i do the occasional party favor when i'm clubbing, cuz it's there w/ no hassle and it's free. but this is like coke, pot and e. the drugs that bring people together without exploring some mystery land that doesn't exist. i think of acid and dmt, and i picture a bunch of crackhead teenagers sitting around a living room exploring a blank wall and then coming back to reality to exchange stories. that's just humourous to me. i'd rather be at a club, fully functionable, with my friends and good music and feeling a little bit better and more alert maybe from drugs that you can control. or from the HIGH that you can control, i should say...
that's just me though...everyone is different. i am a thinker and i'm constantly observing and trying to understand people and life, so acid was way too strong for me. it scared me. i will never touch the stuff again.
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| Originally posted by Slylee no thank god...i've seen some ppl on K and it just baffles me. it was the first time i was at a major event seeing a major DJ (Oakenfold in 2000 i believe). he was playing "Prophet" and everyone was going nuts...except the ppl in k holes sitting up against a wall w/ their eyes rolling back and their mouths open like a bunch of degenerates. to each their own... i never will understand people who enjoy psychodelic trips. it's scary shit to lose concept of time and lose control of your thoughts and see stuff that's not there and think it's never going to end. i'm trying to stay away from drugs lately because i'm at that point where i feel i should settle down a bit since i'll be in school again this fall and plus i've done too much already. i do the occasional party favor when i'm clubbing, cuz it's there w/ no hassle and it's free. but this is like coke, pot and e. the drugs that bring people together without exploring some mystery land that doesn't exist. i think of acid and dmt, and i picture a bunch of crackhead teenagers sitting around a living room exploring a blank wall and then coming back to reality to exchange stories. that's just humourous to me. i'd rather be at a club, fully functionable, with my friends and good music and feeling a little bit better and more alert maybe from drugs that you can control. or from the HIGH that you can control, i should say... that's just me though...everyone is different. i am a thinker and i'm constantly observing and trying to understand people and life, so acid was way too strong for me. it scared me. i will never touch the stuff again. |
Yea but it�s a fact that all of those effects are because of the chemicals being released in your brain in huge amounts, and because of chemicals NOT SUPPOSED to be there in the first place. That�s what causes seeing colors and all that. I don�t think that it�s because all of a sudden, you pop a hit of acid, and it takes you to another dimension of life like the matrix...maybe psychologically. All I�m saying is that the human body functions with its own chemicals and release of those chemicals just fine. Whoever created us, intended it that way. When you mess with that, and add other harmful chemicals, it�s not meant to be. This, right here and now, is life as it is meant to be. If not, then it would be like how it is when you trip all the time (if that�s what you were getting at). My whole perception of drugs (all drugs) is that if they can be SO good, followed by SO bad (the comedown and want for more), then it�s not pure good. it�s more like the devil in disguise. But we still do them for that short lived sense of distorted happiness.
Makes me wonder though since many ancient civilizations more recently native americans used drugs as part of ceremonies and believed in the visions they saw. They were using drugs not to party and be happy, but for different reasons. It's hard not to help to think that drugs (natural ones at least) were put here for a reason. Drugs in general have done more harm than good in this world but there are lots of people who have done them responsibly and had great times because of it. In conclusion, reality is hard to deal with for anyone...and there are always people out there that are going to use drugs to escape it, would be better though if people were more careful.
good point...i am a spiritual and somewhat religious person (i even have seminole indian blood in me too with mescaline smoking relatives probably
), and think it's a just a waste of time and brain cells to do drugs for that purpose. i will just live this life to its fullest by learning as much as i can, traveling and all that good stuff, and being a good person...and i'll worry about getting my answers when i die. because i do believe i will get them when that day comes. i believe in a better place where our souls go after death where we will finally have a better understanding of the grand scheme of things. i'm not going to fry my brain in this life trying to figure it all out now. and even by doing all these drugs to enter the "other side", you'll still never know...you'll just have more questions to be answered that can't be
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| Originally posted by mikefasssy That's a solid reason. But what if it isn't fake, what if it is real? Serious/interesting question. Some trips and experiences people have had can really challenge that belief. I think it is good for people (not everyone because lots of people have no concept of who they really are so psychadelic drugs suck for them) because you can explore yourself, perception, spirituality etc etc. |
I think we all have more brain cells than absolutely necessary and killing a few off here and there isn't that terrible, it's the people who do tons of drugs and completely fry their brains that bother me.
I've heard some people say that they've had trips that changed their whole outlook on life and made them happier. You don't usually hear the positive things about drugs even though I understand there are only a few.
And you gotta remember too that drugs like LSD, MDMA, and heroin were originally made to help people even though they ended up being illegal and abused by people. Not to mention the helpful prescription drugs that others choose to abuse. In the end, it's hard to decide whether to agree or disagree with the "drugs are bad" statement
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