How to make a breaks/D'n'B type tune?

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Posted by CynepMeH on Mar-02-2004 05:21:

How to make a breaks/D'n'B type tune?

I was checking out Plump DJ's "Big Groovy Fuker", Herbie Hancock "Rock it", and others alike(Break Dance type of stuff) - can anyone tell me how do these mofos get such a tight-ass type of sound and patterns? I was always a closet breaks fan and wanted to experiment.

Also, anyone seen the new "you've been served"? Is it any good or mostly CG? Old-skool movies like "Breakin'" were quality stuff. I also have a russian movie that has some decent break dancing in it, plus most of "Flyin' steps videos" - that stuff is just surreal! I am envious!

Anywho, back to the topic.

/breaks out into windmill

Posted by Serp on Mar-02-2004 13:37:

its not that hard really! sounds like they use a fair amount of compression to get a slammin' sound, most breaks is like that

just play around

check this out a little something i did.
you can get a phat arse sound with some EQ and the right compression

http://members.optusnet.com.au/burles/slammed.mp3

Posted by Sean Walsh on Mar-02-2004 17:23:

They tend to not use much bass on their kicks, and they compress the shit out of their kicks and snares to give them a *THWACK* type sounds that rocks it on the big system. Try layering a lot of different breakbeat loops together as well, this usually gives interesting results.

Posted by Spin Doctor on Mar-02-2004 19:45:

I really love Plump DJ's - Big Groovy F�cker too, and wanted to make a stomping Break Beat tune similar to that...so, what I did was cut a 1 bar loop out of it then bunged it into ReCycle, then to a Dr. Rex. After that I tried to match the loop. The drums and percussion was easy but the bass was difficult to nail, I gave up in the end. However, that little experiment gave me a good insight into the construction of break beat tunes, so I recommend you do something similar in which ever progs you use to have a play with!

Posted by CynepMeH on Mar-02-2004 22:08:

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor
I really love Plump DJ's - Big Groovy F�cker too, and wanted to make a stomping Break Beat tune similar to that...so, what I did was cut a 1 bar loop out of it then bunged it into ReCycle, then to a Dr. Rex. After that I tried to match the loop. The drums and percussion was easy but the bass was difficult to nail, I gave up in the end. However, that little experiment gave me a good insight into the construction of break beat tunes, so I recommend you do something similar in which ever progs you use to have a play with!

Big Groovy Fuker sounds very much like "Rockit" - only with a new twist - sick tune to listen to on a loud system. F-n sick...

I'm still not clear, though... How can you create a breaks tune? is it by using samples or do you think they have drum machine or drummer or combination or what? I would imagine that the easiest thing to do is splice bunch of patterns in sampler and there ya go. That's a top level view... I wanna actually dig deeper into the guts of it - the actuall rythm patterns - on that level.

It's kinda the same, when I asked someone how do they create a drum build up in a tune, they said - easy, I use sample. Err.. doesn't really answer my question. I mean, if I wanted to create my own build up - how could I force my hardware or software instruments to generate that kind of sound?

Ok, so is everyone confused now?

Posted by ManTrance on Mar-03-2004 11:10:

Unfortunately, production doesn't work like that.

I struggled with beats, had no idea at all, but I experimented, listented to other tracks and tried to dissect what they are doing. Especially the rythms.

If you wanna create bad-ass sub bass, then use a synth.
Use different bass drum, hi-hat, percussional samples for the beat. Play around with different effects on the samples, for example filters, flangers and phazers (can sound wicked in dnb)

Just my two cents anyway.

There is no easy way to start producing, you just gotta play about with it.

Posted by Spin Doctor on Mar-04-2004 23:59:

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Originally posted by CynepMeH
I'm still not clear, though... How can you create a breaks tune? is it by using samples or do you think they have drum machine or drummer or combination or what? I would imagine that the easiest thing to do is splice bunch of patterns in sampler and there ya go. That's a top level view... I wanna actually dig deeper into the guts of it - the actuall rythm patterns - on that level.

No no, I think you�re getting a bit confuzzled. I know that d�n�b/jungle heads go on about sampling all the time, but what there on about is some obscure Jazz sample, or sound effect. Nearly all the actual drum loops, bass and other parts are programmed just like you would with a trance tune.

So...if you want to make a killer breaks tune, you�re going to have to program in your drum machine plug-in a stomping break beat pattern yourself, figure out where to put the bass etc!