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The term "Palestine"

Summary

The international community has for more than 50 years been in the practice of referring to the Land of Israel by the term "Palestine" and the Arab inhabitants of that land as "Palestinians." The use of these terms, however, is the perpetuation of a historical inaccuracy.

Historical usage

1 - The term "Palestine" is derived from the ancient Philistines, an Aegean people who colonized the Mediteranean coast of what is now "Israel proper" and the Gaza Strip in the 12th century BC.

2 - While the ancient Philistines disappeared from history in the second half of the first millineum BC, the term "Palestine" was kept alive by the Romans in the second century AD.

3 - Following the defeat of the second Jewish revolt under Simon Bar Kochva in 135 AD, the Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed Judea as Palaestina, in referrence to Israel's ancient enemy, as a slap in the face of the defeated Jews.

4 - Prior to Hadrian's act of hatred, the Land of Israel was consistently referred to as Judea by Roman era writers such as Pliny, Tacitus, Plutarch, Strabo and Ptolemy.

5 - Eusebius (ca. 300 AD) writes of Hadrian's law, which "ensured that not even from a distance might Jews have a view of their ancestrial soil..." (Ecclesiastical History, IV:6)

6 - The New Testament, written during the 1st and 2nd centuries AD, never uses the term "Palestine", but rather refers to the region as the "Land of Israel" or "Judea."

7 - The Koran, written in the 7 century AD, never uses the term "Palestine", but rather refers to the region as the "holy land" and as being divinely assigned to the Israelites. (Sura 5:12, 20-21)

8 - "Palestine" was used off and on during the centuries of Muslim [Arab, Turk, Marmuluke] control, but was always understood to be a part of Syria - this is evident from the 1946 Arab testimony before the Anglo-American Commission of Inquiry on Palestine, which referred to "Palestine" as part of "Greater Syria."

Rebirth

1 - The respected Encyclopedia Italiano (Vol. 26, ca. 1930) tells of "Palestine" becoming the preferred term for the region in modern times as part of the revival of Latin as the "scientific" language.

2 - Despite the resurgence, the famous eleventh edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1911) continued to associate "Palestine" with the "Hebrews."

3 - Until the mid-20th century, "Palestine" remained a Western geographical term that never defined a nation or a people group.

4 - Following the 1967 Six Day War, the Arab world intensified efforts to transform the geographical term "Palestine" into one denoting an ancient Arab culture.

Palestinian ignore the thread no one reads the articles anyway

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Originally posted by tathi Palestinian ignore the thread no one reads the articles anyway

oh come on, let us have some fun

Well what would you call them instead of Palestinians?

They are not Jordanians, cos Jordan doesn't want them (Black September) and they are not Egyptians cos even Israel doesn't want Gaza let alone Egypt! The pand is not part of Israel, nor is it any longer part of Jordan or Egypt, therefore, they need a name...might as well be Palestinians if thats what they want?

dj_ilan_yosef, what's your point anyway?

Re: The term "Palestine"

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Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef Summary The international community has for more than 50 years been in the practice of referring to the Land of Israel by the term "Palestine" and the Arab inhabitants of that land as "Palestinians." The use of these terms, however, is the perpetuation of a historical inaccuracy. Historical usage 1 - The term "Palestine" is derived from the ancient Philistines, an Aegean people who colonized the Mediteranean coast of what is now "Israel proper" and the Gaza Strip in the 12th century BC. 2 - While the ancient Philistines disappeared from history in the second half of the first millineum BC, the term "Palestine" was kept alive by the Romans in the second century AD. 3 - Following the defeat of the second Jewish revolt under Simon Bar Kochva in 135 AD, the Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed Judea as Palaestina, in referrence to Israel's ancient enemy, as a slap in the face of the defeated Jews. 4 - Prior to Hadrian's act of hatred, the Land of Israel was consistently referred to as Judea by Roman era writers such as Pliny, Tacitus, Plutarch, Strabo and Ptolemy. 5 - Eusebius (ca. 300 AD) writes of Hadrian's law, which "ensured that not even from a distance might Jews have a view of their ancestrial soil..." (Ecclesiastical History, IV:6) 6 - The New Testament, written during the 1st and 2nd centuries AD, never uses the term "Palestine", but rather refers to the region as the "Land of Israel" or "Judea." 7 - The Koran, written in the 7 century AD, never uses the term "Palestine", but rather refers to the region as the "holy land" and as being divinely assigned to the Israelites. (Sura 5:12, 20-21) 8 - "Palestine" was used off and on during the centuries of Muslim [Arab, Turk, Marmuluke] control, but was always understood to be a part of Syria - this is evident from the 1946 Arab testimony before the Anglo-American Commission of Inquiry on Palestine, which referred to "Palestine" as part of "Greater Syria." Rebirth 1 - The respected Encyclopedia Italiano (Vol. 26, ca. 1930) tells of "Palestine" becoming the preferred term for the region in modern times as part of the revival of Latin as the "scientific" language. 2 - Despite the resurgence, the famous eleventh edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1911) continued to associate "Palestine" with the "Hebrews." 3 - Until the mid-20th century, "Palestine" remained a Western geographical term that never defined a nation or a people group. 4 - Following the 1967 Six Day War, the Arab world intensified efforts to transform the geographical term "Palestine" into one denoting an ancient Arab culture.

And the point of this is??

i agree, what's the point?

Are you jewish, and oppose palestinians?

seems like a pointless thread to me

+1

I think the point he is trying to make is that the Palestinians are a hodg-podge of diverse middle-eastern races, who settled the area relatively recently in historical terms, and have nor cultural or racial unity to unite them. This is all well and good, but I still say they deserve their land.

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Originally posted by Vigilante Are you jewish, and oppose palestinians?

because only jews oppose the idea of a palestinian state!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well what would you call them instead of Palestinians? They are not Jordanians, cos Jordan doesn't want them

That doesn't mean they're not Jordanians. Jordan is smart in not wanting them back. Who wants to accept a few million poor, poorly educated, sometimes violent people back across the river? But ethnically, that's their proper place.

I posted this to make it clear to a very big group of people who commonly make the mistake of todays "Palestinian" society as one thats been around since the time of the bible.
Astroboy was also the only one to give me the benefit of the doubt in regards to why i might have posted this article... he was right in doing so, as he's hit my thoughts dead on... INCLUDING having their own state (pending MAJOR reforms in the PA and its subordinants).

I havent had a nice rim job in a while... tathi, care to do the honours?

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Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef I posted this to make it clear to a very big group of people who commonly make the mistake of todays "Palestinian" society as one thats been around since the time of the bible. Astroboy was also the only one to give me the benefit of the doubt in regards to why i might have posted this article... he was right in doing so, as he's hit my thoughts dead on... INCLUDING having their own state (pending MAJOR reforms in the PA and its subordinants). I havent had a nice rim job in a while... tathi, care to do the honours?

Maybe you should try to make your point clear at the start instead of waiting for a suitable interpretation by someone else and claiming that was your intent of copying and pasting that whole passage.

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Originally posted by razmataz Maybe you should try to make your point clear at the start instead of waiting for a suitable interpretation by someone else and claiming that was your intent of copying and pasting that whole passage.

Maybe i should and could have started with my point more obvious, however, i choose not to... and i'll probably do it again sometime in the near future! Keep an eye out for me razmataz! *where is that go fuck yourself smiley?*

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Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef *where is that go fuck yourself smiley?*

thats really big of you
galoot...

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Originally posted by imokruok That doesn't mean they're not Jordanians. Jordan is smart in not wanting them back. Who wants to accept a few million poor, poorly educated, sometimes violent people back across the river? But ethnically, that's their proper place.

Sorry but what the hell is that supposed to mean? They should fuck off back to Jordan? They've lived there all their lives, why should they move? What would be the reaction of you said that about Black people in whatever country, that ethnically, Africa should be their "proper place"? And add to that that there were nowhere near as many Jews living in Palestine before 1948...should they go back to Europe or Russia?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Sorry but what the hell is that supposed to mean? They should fuck off back to Jordan? They've lived there all their lives, why should they move? What would be the reaction of you said that about Black people in whatever country, that ethnically, Africa should be their "proper place"? And add to that that there were nowhere near as many Jews living in Palestine before 1948...should they go back to Europe or Russia?

Using your logic, you would then have to accept that 'Palestinians' living in Lebanon and Jordan have no right of return, as they 'ived their there whole lives'

at this entire thread! Good point nic

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Originally posted by Yoepus Using your logic, you would then have to accept that 'Palestinians' living in Lebanon and Jordan have no right of return, as they 'ived their there whole lives'

and that only proves his point. that you can't think like that

Palestinians did have unity and you can see that in the 1834 revolt against the Egyptians. There is a Palestinian people. They DID refer to the land as Palestine since Arabs arrived there in the 7th century. They're not gonna get up and leave because someone was absent for 2000 years and came back and said get off.

This whole debate is pointless, since theoretical. It's got nothing to do with the current reality: some 4 million people claiming to BE a people and fighting for their own land (if not more). There's nothing that will change that fact, surely not a theoretical contra-argument against their alleged national identity.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant This whole debate is pointless, since theoretical. It's got nothing to do with the current reality: some 4 million people claiming to BE a people and fighting for their own land (if not more). There's nothing that will change that fact, surely not a theoretical contra-argument against their alleged national identity.

despite having to agree with you in this instnace, I have to point this out:

Millions had believed in communism up until 1991, a purely theoretical, rhetorical exercies proved communsim wrong with the fall of Russia, and now we have millions no longer claiming to be communists. When people realized, theoretically that communism was a delusion, they stopped being communist.

I believe peope, if they lose their theoretical identity tend to lose their actually identity. Although I don't see that happening in this case, I see it happening in the similar case with pan-Arab fundamentalism.

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