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Posted by mike_stefan69 on Mar-04-2004 19:31:

watergate - heart of asia

has anyone realised this track is actually a complete rip-off of Kayashi- Furio (released in 1997 on Incentive Records)?


Posted by d-jay MyTH on Mar-04-2004 19:33:

Hello!

no not really. Cos even that version was a remake of the theme tune from the film Merry xmas mr lawrence, which is where the melody comes from


Posted by T-1000 on Mar-04-2004 20:27:

Hmm...I didn't know that. I like the song, though. Isn't watergate = an alias of DJ Quicksilver?


Posted by d-jay MyTH on Mar-04-2004 20:32:

Hello!

it was a colaboration. think there were/are 3 ppl but yeah DJ Q is one of them.


Posted by GrimReaper on Mar-04-2004 20:38:

The original track is Ryuichi Sakamoto - Forbidden Colours and it's vocal version , if i remember correctly, is known as Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence from the 1983 movie with the same title. The movie is starred and music composed by Sakamoto as well.

DJ Quicksilver = Orhan Terzi (the visible part of the team) and Tommaso de Donatis
Watergate = Orhan Terzi, Tommaso de Donatis & David Haid


Posted by [ groovypants ] on Mar-04-2004 22:47:

It's the other way around

Vocal: Ryuichi Sakamoto & David Sylvian - Forbidden Colours
Intstrumental: Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence

The trio version from his "1996" album is very nice - features Sakamoto himself on the piano accompanied with the violin and cello.

There's also a piano solo version played again by Sakamoto [from the "Coda album].

Funny enough, Sakamoto did compose a song called "Heart of Asia" in the 80's which sounds totally different to MCML.


Posted by webmeister on Mar-04-2004 22:57:

I thought Hemstock & Jennings were somehow involved with Watergate as well?


Posted by [ groovypants ] on Mar-04-2004 23:15:

They made a new remix for the double vinyl Postiva aniversary re-release of the track.


Posted by webmeister on Mar-04-2004 23:37:

quote:
Originally posted by [ groovypants ]
They made a new remix for the double vinyl Postiva aniversary re-release of the track.


Ahh, that's why I had them in mind


Posted by A.J. on Mar-05-2004 00:43:

Isn't it a ripoff off from some traditional oriental melody that's hundreds of years old?

I don't know about you guys, buy when i heard it, i thought it sounded just like all those traditional oriental strings.....

My guess is, that's where the inspiration for it came from.


Posted by wwu.punisher on Mar-05-2004 05:43:

I wouldn't call any one track a "complete ripoff" of any other. Sure, artists feed on one another's originality... but it's not exactly easy to come up with something completely original that's never been before in one form or another, let alone something that people are going to want to hear.


Posted by GrimReaper on Mar-05-2004 09:08:

quote:
Originally posted by [ groovypants ]
It's the other way around

Vocal: Ryuichi Sakamoto & David Sylvian - Forbidden Colours
Intstrumental: Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence

Heh, thanks for correcting. I remembered wrong then just as i doubted.


Posted by mike_stefan69 on Mar-05-2004 11:51:

quote:
Originally posted by wwu.punisher
I wouldn't call any one track a "complete ripoff" of any other. Sure, artists feed on one another's originality... but it's not exactly easy to come up with something completely original that's never been before in one form or another, let alone something that people are going to want to hear.


well it is, its got the exact same leadline


Posted by GrimReaper on Mar-05-2004 12:18:

A track is a ripoff if it doesn't give any credit to the original artist and lets ppl think it's their own production. On Heart Of Asia singles they do mention Ryuichi Sakamoto as the writer of the track.

So Heart Of Asia really isn't a ripoff but it's more like a remake of the old track even if it doesn't have the same title (except on the 10 year release on Positiva has Heart Of Asia titled as Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence).


Posted by [ groovypants ] on Mar-05-2004 13:52:

quote:
Originally posted by GrimReaper

So Heart Of Asia really isn't a ripoff but it's more like a remake of the old track even if it doesn't have the same title (except on the 10 year release on Positiva has Heart Of Asia titled as Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence).


Indeed

Considering that Sakamoto did compose a different song called "Heart of Asia" - maybe they had to change it for legal reasons?

If one says Kayashi - Furio is a rip off of Watergate - Heart of Asia, then both of those tracks are a rip off of Ryuichi Sakamoto - Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence.

Another interesting note is that, in the good old days, Paul Oakenfold use to play the original 1983 instrumental [movie version] in his sets!


Posted by stamper on Mar-05-2004 14:21:

quote:
Originally posted by [ groovypants ]

Another interesting note is that, in the good old days, Paul Oakenfold use to play the original 1983 instrumental [movie version] in his sets!


Repsect to Oakenfold for that, its a very nice melody!



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