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Under the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution, I proclaim Mel's right to make a movie and people to view it. Using the same rules, I proclaim my right to say: FUCCK Mel Gibson Passionately!

Here's why:

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DENVER, Colorado (AP) -- About 300 people of different faiths turned out to clean up a synagogue vandalized with swastikas and Nazi symbols on the eve of the Jewish holiday Purim. So many people showed up Sunday at BMH-BJ Congregation, where vandalism had been discovered the day before, that people had to stand in line for a turn with a brush and a can of paint thinner. "This is a place for everyone," said Doug Mix, who is not a member of the congregation. "That is why everyone is here. There are Christians, Jews, Muslims and people who are not religious. We all came out here because America is still America, and we don't tolerate this." A custodian for the synagogue discovered about 10 markings when he arrived Saturday morning. Purim was celebrated Saturday night and Sunday. Police had not made any arrests by Monday. Holocaust survivor Fanny Starr saw the graffiti Saturday morning. "I was just shaking and broke down," she said. "All the wounds, the old wounds starting open again." Rabbi Daniel Cohen said the vandalism may have been sparked by Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ," which just finished its second weekend as the No. 1 movie in the country. The movie, which some believe wrongly blames Jews for the death of Christ, has been criticized as anti-Semitic. Elise Zakroff said she was sure the film inspired the graffiti. "What Mel Gibson did is terrible," Zakroff said. "It is happening all over. We are tired of anti-Semitism. All we want is peace." Shortly after the movie opened, a Denver pastor outraged Jews and Christians with a sign outside his Lovingway United Pentecostal Church that read "Jews Killed The Lord Jesus." He said the sign was inspired by Gibson's film and later put a sign of apology.

original here: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/...i.ap/index.html

anti-semitism was around long before mel gibson's movie and was around before movies and tv in general. In fact i'd say most would say that it was much worse in the mid 20th century

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil anti-semitism was around long before mel gibson's movie and was around before movies and tv in general. In fact i'd say most would say that it was much worse in the mid 20th century

So is racism, so is any other form of opression of human beings in any other shape or form. When will it stop?

Unfortunately it is on the rise again, and movies like Passion don't help. Mel Gibson knew very well what he was getting into, and he knew very well that this movies would provoke acts of vandalism such as this, and he did nothing. Piece of shit !

******s...what can u do

I don't think you can blame Mel Gibson. Blame the idiots who don't have the good sense to realize it's a work of fiction.

I am angry and my opinion of the movie does not reflect my opinion of Christianity, Catholicism or any other religion. A normal human being should be able to distinguish good from bad. However, when you air movie like "Passion" to masses, you're bound to hit at least one target with whom this garbage would strike a note and provoke for evil.

If you take millions of people who will see this movie, some of whom are devout antisemites, who are not afraid to act - what you get is your proverbial "adding fuel to the fire".

I don't understand the value of this movie. What does it portray? How does it help a Christian/Catholic/whoever be closer to the Bible? The main message in the movie is not "Christ died for your sins" it is "Jews killed Jesus".

Now, take just one case, just 1 - if someone decides to take a life of another human being after seeing this movie, because he/she feels the movie provoked these emotions - wouldn't it be a worthwhile reason to protest and scream out in anger - to make people aware? So, before you tell me to shuddup and call me names and flame me - think about that... Think - is even one life worth it?

I don't buy the b-s about "Oh, I wanted to do something for the people" - he's sowing the seed of hate and makes money on it at the same time. He stands to make something obscene - in realm of $300 Mil or more for the movie, while pushing his antisemite agenda. While promoting his movie, I didn't hear Mel promissing to donate any of the money to world's hungry (non-jewish) children or poor. If he wanted to do it for his faith, he should have said: "I'm not making a dime on this movie - it will all go to charity".. and even then, his intentions would be dubious, at best.

Well, all I know is if someone does end up getting hurt as a result of seeing this movie, you'll probably see some lawsuits being filed against Mel. It would be sad, sad, sad day but I hope they sue him and get him for all he's got. Though, loss of human life would be a terrible tragedy - even his. If something should happen - let it be on his conscience - that he added fuel to the fire.

User your own brain, end of story.

"..thou shall not kill"

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Originally posted by CynepMeH So is racism, so is any other form of opression of human beings in any other shape or form. When will it stop?

it'll stop when everyone on the planet mates with people with different races and religions so the world is a mix and no one can be racist and anti-semitist of others. So when will this happen? In other words...not in our lifetimes.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH User your own brain and remember the 10 Commandments too.

No, no, it makes perfect sense. The contradictions of christian behaviour match the contradictions of the bible.

A group or a couple of people dont account for an entire religion / race.

When a certain race or group commits a horrible crime, does that account for everyone of this race or ethnic background? No.

JaY

Let's blame Marylin Manson and Eminem and Britney Spears while we're at it.

Everything that never reached the papers before will now because they will tie everything to the movie. This shit happens all the time and you never hear about it because there's nothing else to blame it on. Now that there's a movie we can blame it on, everyone wants to string up Mel Gibson.

Why not blame the people doing the vandalism, not Mel Gibson?

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Originally posted by CynepMeH Rabbi Daniel Cohen said the vandalism may have been sparked by Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ"

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Let's blame Marylin Manson and Eminem and Britney Spears while we're at it.

Hmm.. makes perfect sense - sure... Let's not blame Hitler, Lenin, Stalin... All they did was talk... They didn't actually kill people... they just asked, in a "firm tone of voice".

That's why I never could survive in the military - I cannot stop using my head. When someone tells me that I have to do something, my first question is "WHY?". But... some people live better when someone tells them what to do, what to think, etc.

I respect your freedom of speech but I want you to respect other people's freedom as well. Freedom comes with price - responsibility for your actions.

... chew on this for a while.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH I am angry and my opinion of the movie does not reflect my opinion of Christianity, Catholicism or any other religion. A normal human being should be able to distinguish good from bad. However, when you air movie like "Passion" to masses, you're bound to hit at least one target with whom this garbage would strike a note and provoke for evil. If you take millions of people who will see this movie, some of whom are devout antisemites, who are not afraid to act - what you get is your proverbial "adding fuel to the fire". I don't understand the value of this movie. What does it portray? How does it help a Christian/Catholic/whoever be closer to the Bible? The main message in the movie is not "Christ died for your sins" it is "Jews killed Jesus". Now, take just one case, just 1 - if someone decides to take a life of another human being after seeing this movie, because he/she feels the movie provoked these emotions - wouldn't it be a worthwhile reason to protest and scream out in anger - to make people aware? So, before you tell me to shuddup and call me names and flame me - think about that... Think - is even one life worth it? I don't buy the b-s about "Oh, I wanted to do something for the people" - he's sowing the seed of hate and makes money on it at the same time. He stands to make something obscene - in realm of $300 Mil or more for the movie, while pushing his antisemite agenda. While promoting his movie, I didn't hear Mel promissing to donate any of the money to world's hungry (non-jewish) children or poor. If he wanted to do it for his faith, he should have said: "I'm not making a dime on this movie - it will all go to charity".. and even then, his intentions would be dubious, at best. Well, all I know is if someone does end up getting hurt as a result of seeing this movie, you'll probably see some lawsuits being filed against Mel. It would be sad, sad, sad day but I hope they sue him and get him for all he's got. Though, loss of human life would be a terrible tragedy - even his. If something should happen - let it be on his conscience - that he added fuel to the fire. User your own brain, end of story. "..thou shall not kill"

Mel actually ploughd lots of money into this film because no one would invest, so he took a risk to make it, so why cant he take the reward from it? he does not recieve ALL the money made, because that is distrubuted out.

From what i know Mel is a very good man. He leads a model life and he is never in the news for anything bad, or thats what i know off. He has lots of kids and respects his wife like a good husband...(if i got this wrong well then im sorry)

If you think a film like this causes people to use it as an excuse to do horrible actions, then u may as well stop nearly everyhting in life. e.g.
Car kills people everyday, so lets just stop ppl using cars.
Films too, lets stop horror movies coz u give ppl the incentive to use that film as a means of killing someone, or even murder detective programmes like CSI or something, and u can know how to commit the perfect crime. The list is endless...

yes, obviously the passion of christ made them people spray swastikas, jsut liek ecstacy turns peopel into psychos and makes them go on killing spree's


fucking media is a joke

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Originally posted by CynepMeH Hmm.. makes perfect sense - sure... Let's not blame Hitler, Lenin, Stalin... All they did was talk... They didn't actually kill people... they just asked, in a "firm tone of voice".

If you're comparing Hitler and Lenin and Stalin to MM M&M and Britney Spears, we have a problem. Hateful men with the control of a nation are far more dangerous than angry, disturbed and slutty public icons, in my opinion anyway. Of course you're entitled to your own opinion, which is 'Fuck Mel Gibson, passionately.' The Jews did kill Jesus Christ, it's a fact, get over it. If someone wants to use this as a reason to desecrate a Synagogue, then so be it; they are horrible people. Don't project your anger onto a man who wrote a movie.

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That's why I never could survive in the military - I cannot stop using my head. When someone tells me that I have to do something, my first question is "WHY?". But... some people live better when someone tells them what to do, what to think, etc.

No one told those vandels to do any of that. Unless it's a Neo-Nazi faction. If it is, then they were ordered to that, and you should hate their superiors. What did Mel do you to you?

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I respect your freedom of speech but I want you to respect other people's freedom as well. Freedom comes with price - responsibility for your actions. ... chew on this for a while.

You cannot blame other people's actions on someone else. The end does not condemn the means, if I can bastardise the phrase. You have the freedom to state your opinion on Mel Gibson, founded or not. He has the right to write a movie, controversial or not. No one has the right to piss on someone's beliefs and disrespect people like that.

Its a movie u loser who fuckin cares

American History X....if you have watched it u know the point im making.....





Fucking wicked film too!!!

and the media once again proves it has control of the sheep.

Rofl at CynepMeH being owned

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Originally posted by CynepMeH I am angry and my opinion of the movie does not reflect my opinion of Christianity, Catholicism or any other religion. A normal human being should be able to distinguish good from bad. However, when you air movie like "Passion" to masses, you're bound to hit at least one target with whom this garbage would strike a note and provoke for evil. If you take millions of people who will see this movie, some of whom are devout antisemites, who are not afraid to act - what you get is your proverbial "adding fuel to the fire". I don't understand the value of this movie. What does it portray? How does it help a Christian/Catholic/whoever be closer to the Bible? The main message in the movie is not "Christ died for your sins" it is "Jews killed Jesus". Now, take just one case, just 1 - if someone decides to take a life of another human being after seeing this movie, because he/she feels the movie provoked these emotions - wouldn't it be a worthwhile reason to protest and scream out in anger - to make people aware? So, before you tell me to shuddup and call me names and flame me - think about that... Think - is even one life worth it? I don't buy the b-s about "Oh, I wanted to do something for the people" - he's sowing the seed of hate and makes money on it at the same time. He stands to make something obscene - in realm of $300 Mil or more for the movie, while pushing his antisemite agenda. While promoting his movie, I didn't hear Mel promissing to donate any of the money to world's hungry (non-jewish) children or poor. If he wanted to do it for his faith, he should have said: "I'm not making a dime on this movie - it will all go to charity".. and even then, his intentions would be dubious, at best. Well, all I know is if someone does end up getting hurt as a result of seeing this movie, you'll probably see some lawsuits being filed against Mel. It would be sad, sad, sad day but I hope they sue him and get him for all he's got. Though, loss of human life would be a terrible tragedy - even his. If something should happen - let it be on his conscience - that he added fuel to the fire. User your own brain, end of story. "..thou shall not kill"

what? did you have a problem with the portrayal of the german's in shindler's list? no? then STFU

these days you can't critisize jews in any form or its automatically antisemitism, its sickening

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Originally posted by Nalin what? did you have a problem with the portrayal of the german's in shindler's list? no? then STFU

BTW, one of the main characters in Shindler's list is a German, who was actually helping jews. It wasn't just the brutality of Germans. Same with the new movie "The Pianist".

That's not the point though..

The point is that Mel Gibson knew very well when he was making Passion that this movie would provoke acts of vandalism, antisemitism etc. Yet whenever he was asked about the movie being antisemitic he just shrugged it off.

BTW, Mel's father has admitted to be antisemitic. Mel Gibson probably is as well, though obviously he will never admit that publically.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH I don't understand the value of this movie. What does it portray? How does it help a Christian/Catholic/whoever be closer to the Bible? The main message in the movie is not "Christ died for your sins" it is "Jews killed Jesus".

If the only message you got out of the movie was that Jews killed Jesus, then you were probably an anti-semite before you went out to see it.

I personally think it's ridiculous that people have to censor that into which they put in their creativity, hard work, and dedication just to ensure that a few stupid people don't do something bad. Should we not have car movies because it'll inspire car thieves and racers? Should we not make action movies because it'll inspire people to go out and start shooting up buildings? Get real.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH Freedom comes with price - responsibility for your actions.

You're right. Freedom does come with responsibility for your actions - as opposed to responsibility for other people's actions.

Unless Mel Gibson is actually the person doing the vandalism, he isn't responsible for it, but rather the people who are actually vandalizing are responsible for the vandalism.

I know this is complicated stuff, but c'mon.

Well, well, well. Cal - nice to see you alive and well. Thanks for chiming in - this response is probably more than I should offer in your regard, as any more than that would require stepping down to your level, but I could never step that low, no matter how hard I tried. With that said - be well.

AS for the rest of responses you're entitled to your opinion as much as i am to mine. Let's face it - you probably won't influence my opinion as much as i won't influence yours. Sure, you can justify just about everything if you have a lopsided view. Just remember - history is written by victors. Consider the source of your "facts".

Now, speaking of MEDIA CONTROLLING THE PUBLIC, how's that any different from religion controlling public? The only difference, you don't see people justifying their actions by what they read in the media. "Gee, your honor, I killed this man/woman/child/family because CNN told me so". I'm not saying the Bible or any other "holly book" teaches that - but people use them to justify their terrible actions.

Again, I'm not trying to bash the "story" - it's how it is told, what I am taking offence with. Can you summarize the meaning of the movie for me? If you saw the movie, what did you feel while watching? Did it bring you closer to God? Did it teach you to "love thy neighbor"?

...All of you, chiming in on how wrong I am in my perceptions, how stupid or telling me to STFU - consider this: At this very moment, there are roughly 1/6 of the planet's population that want to kill you and me because of the perceived evil that "The wicked West/America" has brought on the world. They don't care that you didn't do it or no one you know wants to inflict harm onto them, they view you as one big herd: "westerners", "Crusaders", "Americans", "infidels", etc. Convince them... While you're at it, show them the movie "Seige" or "True Lies" or any other movie where muslims are killed because they are a threat. Let me know how it works out.

... pointless... and sad.

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