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Posted by midaV on Mar-15-2004 04:32:

Arrow Horrible..

WARNING: It's about abortion, & pretty damn intense so beware..

http://mttu.com/abort-pics/


Posted by Skaya on Mar-15-2004 04:45:

Many of those pictures are quite disturbing. A very good case and point against late term abortion, tho I still think it should be legal so long as it's early.


Posted by DarkAngel on Mar-15-2004 04:56:

Brutal.


Posted by Shad0wmaster on Mar-15-2004 05:29:

Yep, those are some pretty nasty pics, but at the risk of sounding like a monster I just don't care at all. I remain pro-choice.


Posted by nchs09 on Mar-15-2004 05:34:

scrolled down really quick just checking out the pics for a second.... it creeped me out....


Posted by djSlain on Mar-15-2004 05:47:

me, i don't know what to think about abortion. I'm torn.

For me, on my moral side, i do think it is murder and that the stage of pregnancy garauntees rights to live.
However, there are tons of people born, abandonned and left for dead, or end up growing in "cattle-like" homes. It must have a detrimental effect on their psychology, not growing up into a normal mom and pop fashion.


Posted by Orbax on Mar-15-2004 05:48:

im still of the mind that if we revamped our social policies regarding education and such, abortion wouldnt be an issue


Posted by djSlain on Mar-15-2004 05:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
im still of the mind that if we revamped our social policies regarding education and such, abortion wouldnt be an issue


I believe France has done this. It was in the wake that France was leading the world in teen pregnancy. I think about a year and a half ago, they started promoting agressively about sexual education and awareness. Free condoms at middle schools and above


Posted by Orbax on Mar-15-2004 05:57:

quote:
Originally posted by djSlain
I believe France has done this. It was in the wake that France was leading the world in teen pregnancy. I think about a year and a half ago, they started promoting agressively about sexual education and awareness. Free condoms at middle schools and above



thats exactly what im talking about. Especially in America, sex is so taboo that people are embarassed to purchase condoms. SO they dont. but they still have sex. plus they are so repressed the first sex is usually drunken sex and neither one of them can drive at that point and..its just a mess.


Posted by Tranc3 on Mar-15-2004 06:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
thats exactly what im talking about. Especially in America, sex is so taboo that people are embarassed to purchase condoms. SO they dont. but they still have sex. plus they are so repressed the first sex is usually drunken sex and neither one of them can drive at that point and..its just a mess.


agreed


Posted by DarkAngel on Mar-16-2004 01:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Shad0wmaster
Yep, those are some pretty nasty pics, but at the risk of sounding like a monster I just don't care at all. I remain pro-choice.


I hate discussing 1. religion and 2. politics. but, this is my actual viewpoint on abortion. i am also pro-choice.


Posted by capricorn15 on Mar-16-2004 01:38:

damn that disgusting and also pretty sad. hmm, maybe they should have a time period where they allow abortion, or maybe people should use birth control pills and condoms, that way you dont need to have abortion law. i think at some hospitals they allow you have one at 8 months, shit i was only in my moms stomach for 8 months, thats a bit late, just killing a baby that could survive.


Posted by occrider on Mar-16-2004 01:50:

http://mttu.com/memorial/index.html

And credibility goes flying out the door ... look at her go!


Posted by Arbiter on Mar-16-2004 01:58:

rofl...

That's got to be the stupidest site I've seen in a few weeks now. Thanks for the laugh.


Posted by nic01445 on Mar-16-2004 05:02:

yummy <- licking lips.


Posted by BTG on Mar-16-2004 05:05:

i think its perfectly ok for somone to have an abortion.

its 1000x better than brining the child into a home where money is tight, or the child just isn't wanted.

thats my take on it.

kthnxbye.


Posted by Salem on Mar-16-2004 05:13:

that is the most disturbing shit ive ever watched, It really makes a guy want to pull out.


Posted by nic01445 on Mar-16-2004 05:14:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_Vendetta
that is the most disturbing shit ive ever watched, It really makes a guy want to pull out.


moneyshot.


Posted by BeeEee on Mar-16-2004 05:22:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
http://mttu.com/memorial/index.html

And credibility goes flying out the door ... look at her go!



Oh pls ... that site is a joke !!

how can they even compare such different situations.

n BTW ... im pro-choice


Posted by Trance-Aqua on Mar-16-2004 05:27:

Ok heres my view on this.

Sure its against the religion and is morally wrong, not to mention the damage it causes to some people.

But picture this (back to reality) a 14 yr old girl raped one night leaving her with a child from her man who will be rememberd with pain and hatred for the rest of her life.

If she does not go through the abortion she will have a child that she for one will not be able to raise and support not to mention maintain financialy. This child will be raised in hell with his/her mum not knowing what to do as she is tooo young to have a kid anywyas. So on so on if you get my drift, sure its bad but it will save the suffering of the poor child and mother/girl.


Posted by Orbax on Mar-16-2004 06:14:

ps. by social reform I meant killing social deviants. Rapists will be found by the All Mighty Hypno-Toad and then executed. PLus itll be on cable, maybe even in High Definition. We could use the money to buy Plasmas for everyone!!!

There would be a time of heretofore unbeknownst prosperity. but then all the rapists and stuff would be dead... some might even cultivate rapists to kill them...but one day...The Intel Shutter system would come out, and plasmas would no longer satiate the masses...


then WHO THEN WHOOOOOOOOoooooooooo (echoes into distance)


Slippery slope argument here somewhere.

screw you guys.


Posted by Trance-Aqua on Mar-16-2004 06:51:

quote:
Originally posted by BTG
i think its perfectly ok for somone to have an abortion.

its 1000x better than brining the child into a home where money is tight, or the child just isn't wanted.

thats my take on it.

kthnxbye.



ahh just read yr post , im 100% with you on this one.


Posted by -=M=- on Mar-16-2004 07:02:

methinks this should be moved to the "disturbed threads forum" if we have one :queezy:


Posted by SuperFarStucker on Mar-16-2004 07:04:

I hereby invoke Godwin's Law!!! lmfao, man everytime I think about that I cant help but be in awe of who thought of such a retarded concept. It most definetely had to be a rather geeky individual.

Yeah, that abortion page is smoking some serious rock though... ABORTION IS TEHHH MURDERZEEDZZDDI!!!! HTILER K1LL3D ZE BABIEEZZZ TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Posted by DaveSZ on Mar-16-2004 07:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
rofl...

That's got to be the stupidest site I've seen in a few weeks now.



Indeed.

There is no context given for those pictures, and we don't know for what reason they were aborted.

Oh and I agree with Orbs about teaching comprehensive sex ed because I also think abortion should be a last resort in family planning.

The thing is, women WILL die, and DO die if and when abortion is made illegal.




quote:


Published on Friday, December 12, 2003 by the San Francisco Chronicle


U.S. Policy Blamed for Abortion Deaths in Ethiopia
'Global Gag Rule' Prevents Agencies from Discussing Pregnancy Alternatives

by Gavin du Venage

DUNA, ETHIOPIA -- Yemmi Samta didn't know that her 14-year-old-daughter, Saron, was pregnant until she found her unconscious and bleeding profusely on the dirt floor of her ramshackle house.

Samta begged a neighbor to load Saron onto a donkey cart and take her to the nearest clinic, 12 miles away. But the girl died on the way from septicemia, a form of blood poisoning, and loss of blood caused by an illegal abortion.

"I held her and pleaded to God not to take her," Samta recalled. "God took her to his arms, and I saw the life go from her body."


Saron's death represents a staggering reality about women and mortality in Africa. African women have a 1 in 16 chance of dying while pregnant, according to a report released last month by the World Health Organization, the United Nations Population Fund and UNICEF.

Across Africa, most women have limited or no access to prenatal care, contraception or competent doctors, due to poverty and poor public health systems. In Ethiopia, at least 55 percent of all maternal deaths are abortion- related, and unsafe terminations are the second biggest killer of women of child-bearing age after AIDS, according to a study by the New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights.

In Ethiopia, where 45 percent of the country's 72 million people live in poverty, giving birth is a high-risk activity. Many women terminate pregnancies as a method of contraception. When these procedures go wrong, as so many do, Ethiopian women often turn to domestic and foreign health agencies.

Most family planning groups agree that U.S. administration policy banning abortion services by federally funded agencies -- the "global gag rule" enacted by President Bush during his first days in office -- could not have come at a worse time for Ethiopian women.

The ban -- first announced by President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and rescinded by President Bill Clinton in 1993 -- prohibits U.S. financing to organizations that perform or counsel abortions or provide post-abortion counseling, even if they do not terminate pregnancies themselves.

"Hospitals tell us they still see many deaths from illegal abortions," said Amare Bedada, executive director of the Family Guidance Association of Ethiopia, a 37-year-old domestic health organization. "If we are going to keep women healthy and alive, we have to provide abortion-related advice."

Abortion is legal only in South Africa, which has one of the continent's lowest maternal mortality rates -- 230 deaths per 100,000 live births compared with an average of 830 per 100,000 for all of Africa.

Given the limited services available, many African health organizations depend on the U.S. Agency for International Development -- Washington's principal vehicle for international funding. But the ban has forced a drastic cutback in services, and Ethiopian aid agencies have been hit especially hard.

"We had to let go staff because we could not afford to keep them," said Sister Yeshiemebet Giorgis, clinic project coordinator for the family planning agency, Marie Stopes International. The London-based group lost U.S. funding for sticking to its belief that abortion counseling is part of providing comprehensive health care. "It was a disaster because abortion is such a feature of this country and so many women need help."

Last year, the Family Guidance Association lost $3.9 million in U.S. funding after lobbying the Ethiopian government to legalize abortion and refusing to sign a declaration from Pathfinder International, a USAID partner organization that demanded it halt all abortion-related services. Pathfinder International soon ceased supplying the Family Guidance Association with contraceptives.

"By depriving us of contraceptives, we now face an increase in unwanted pregnancies," Bedada said. "Women are once again using abortion as a routine contraception, not as an emergency measure."

The loss in U.S. financing almost forced the Family Guidance Association to close several clinics. But their 18 clinics, 26 youth centers and 600 community health sites remain open, thanks to the Los Altos-based David and Lucile Packard Foundation, which stepped in to cover the $3.9 million loss.

Bedada said the Packard Foundation kept scores of clinics open in remote regions where indigent women "use herbs, poisons, wire and other methods to induce bleeding. Abortions are often carried out by local women healers who are not well trained."

Health experts say the surge in abortions is because of not only chronic poverty but starvation conditions. According to the World Food Program, 13.2 million Ethiopians needed food aid in 2003 due to a severe drought.

"It is difficult enough to feed yourself under these conditions, let alone five or six children," said Dr. Daniel Leude, district health administrator in North Shoa, about 75 miles north of Addis Ababa, the capital. "The drought has pushed people to confront family planning."

According to a recent study by the Ethiopian Society of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, 45 percent of those seeking abortions are adolescents younger than 18.

"The consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are severe," said Mekikeb Demissie, a youth leader in the village of Duna, 250 miles west of Addis Ababa. "A young girl (who becomes pregnant) will drop out of school. This is a small village, so if a girl is pregnant, everyone will know about it. Often she will throw the child away soon after birth. Or she will try and abort it."

For young women, the trauma of an unwanted pregnancy does not end with the birth of a child.

"A pregnant girl will be thrown out of home and may end up working in a bar as a prostitute," Demissie said. "It is then only a matter of time before she gets the AIDS virus and dies."

Ethiopia has one of the world's highest incidents of HIV, with 8 percent of the population infected. "So an unwanted pregnancy is a death sentence," Demissie said.

Duna -- a village similar to thousands around the country -- has a small health clinic, which serves not only the settlement's 2,000 residents but thousands of peasants from the surrounding countryside. A small, dark room set aside for post-abortion careis furnished with an ancient, cracked leather half-bed with rusted stirrups and an old iron bowl.

"This is where women come for help," said Sara Mekuria, the clinic's nurse. "I get two, maybe more a day. Many more can't get to us in time and die in their villages."




Whether or not to bring a child into the world should be a personal choice, and not the choice of an authoritarian state. I also don't think 3rd trimester abortions are legal anyways except for medical reasons. Correct me if I'm wrong, and perhaps it varies from state to state.

I read this one post from some fundie who said all people under 18 who have sex should be arrested and prosecuted.

I reject that mindset, and I find it quite sick regardless of how I may personally feel about abortion.


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